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tsig
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Message 77 of 101 (225599)
07-22-2005 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
07-15-2005 8:45 PM


Thank you
ABSENT proof that {A} exists AND
ABSENT proof that {A} does NOT exist
What is the most logical position:
(1) YES {A} exists! OR
(2) NO {A} does NOT exist! OR
(3) We don't know if {A} exists or not
Let's let {A}=IIPU(bbhh)
then:
We cannot disprove the IIPU(bbh)
Unicornions thank you

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tsig
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Message 83 of 101 (225746)
07-23-2005 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by RAZD
07-23-2005 3:21 PM


grasping the essence
As noted before, I also do not believe that invisible pink unicorns exist (on earth, at this time) ... but recognize that this choice is made willingly and is based on belief.
I also qualify my belief based on the limited amount of knowledge available.
The logical rational answer to "Let's let {A}=IIPU(bbhh) ..." is still "(3) We don't know if {A} exists or not" -- the agnostic answer.
And this logical rational answer still does not prevent us from believing either that "(1) YES {A} exists!" or "(2) NO {A} does NOT exist!"
but we've been over this before eh?
The center of the argument is that you can't be invisible and pink, it's a logical contradiction, so if your formula asserts it is possible, it is wrong.

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tsig
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Message 85 of 101 (225881)
07-24-2005 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by RAZD
07-23-2005 10:54 PM


Belief
then you just voided the preconditions, and it is not really an {A} case at all.
but there are also lots of things that are invisible to us, and yet they are colors to other organisms: they just need to be pink to each other.
looks like the center of your argument is hollow.
... or is it invisible? ...
You may claim to be an agnostic, but you really believe in your formula.

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