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Author Topic:   Missouri Anti-Evolution Bill
Kevin
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Message 41 of 50 (173966)
01-05-2005 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Syamsu
01-03-2005 4:49 AM


syamsu writes:
What about teaching people selfish gene theory, with associated evolutionary psychology? I think you should be more worried about that, than teaching intelligent design. A theory which at least correctly establishes decision at the point of creation.
How ironic.
It sounds like you think we should teach students things that make them feel good about themselves. Do you really expect people that learn the selfish gene theory to go out and say, "Hey my genes are selfish so I should be too"? That is not how we as a society would want people to act toward one another, and learning how our genetic material works is not going to change that.
It would be unethical to teach someone something just to get them to act a certain way. From your post it seems you want people to be taught propoganda instead of truth. If you have so much faith in the establishment of decision you should at least have the respect that students who are taught things will at least use their knowledge in productive ways. The purpose of teaching is not so the student believes in what they are being taught, but for them to understand what they are being taugh.

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Kevin
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Message 43 of 50 (174303)
01-06-2005 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Syamsu
01-06-2005 2:45 AM


you cannot go into a science class and teach lies, it would be hypocritical
No I'm just saying you should be more worried about the ideological content on the evolutionist side, rather than on the creationist side. As with eugenics, the ideology on the evolutionist side is much more menacing than anything creationism ever put forward, you should be very worried about it.
I really hope it is not the purpose of schools to indoctrinate certain ideologies into the young. You cannot teach children how to treat other human beings, or that their actions have consequences toward other people. Empathy cannot be taught, only experienced.
That is why children should be taught scientific truths so they can understand the world around them and know when they are being fed ideological bullshit. Science is not driven by ideology but by objective experimentation of nature.
science so becomes a vehicle for evil, and science can hardly correct evil
Science is gaining knowledge and the knowledge that is gained by its process. Science has no interest in evil because there is not a science that studies evil. There may be people that do harmful and cruel things, but they are defined as evil so they can be separated from the "good" people. By labeling some people evil, the underlying cause for what they do is banished in the word and the problem is not corrected. Science is not the evil, it is the ignorance on how to apply the science that can cause harm. The only true evil in this world is the suppression of knowledge.
Don't you understand that unless we allow people to use all the tools available we limit the amount of extraordinary things these people can accomplish. Giving someone a screwdriver and telling them it is a hammer is not going to allow them to accomplish what they want to get done.
you should be more worried about the ideological content on the evolutionist side, rather than on the creationist side
Should I really? Tell me what is so great about creationists' ideological content that I don't see. Is it the lies that it speaks in the face of empirical evidence that shows that it is false? Or maybe it is just that creationism is perpetrated by religions and religions have a monopoly on "good". Science will do more to help alleviate the pain of the poor than any fraud like Ghandi, Billy Graham, or Mother Teresa.
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Kevin
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Message 48 of 50 (174482)
01-06-2005 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by AdminNosy
01-06-2005 10:46 AM


Re: The Topic is the anti evolution bill
sorry, you are right. The purpose of this forum is the Missouri Anti-Evolution bill. I couldn't just be inert and allow someone to call certain sciences evil.
I don't understand these public schools. Do the really want their students to go prepared into college or do these public schools just love bowing to political pressure. Thankfully I went to a secular private school until 8th grade. Even Catholic college prep high schools don't teach ID. I'm afraid these students will be so ill prepared for college in Missouri now that they will waste time, energy, money, and even their dreams in college.

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