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Evos generally don't believe an open-minded, intelligent and reasonable person could reject their evolutionist faith based on the evidence, which is why people like continually lie about why others reject ToE. It is inconceivable to you that others can view the evidence as being against ToE so you don't even give them a proper hearing, and as such, evolutionists are generally very close-minded people on this subject.
You know, randman, I think you are mostly right.
Evos don't believe that open-minded, reasonable people can reject the evidence for the ToE based upon evidence alone.
And do you know why this is so?
Because pretty much every time someone who rejects the ToE is asked to explain their position, the following things crop up:
1) The person is a very conservative/fundamentalist Christian, or sometimes Muslim. This is true of 99% of those who reject the evidence for the ToE here at EvC, and this is a major red flag to Evos that the person is likely to be rejecting the ToE due to religious reasons, not evidence-based reasons, regardless of what the people say.
2) The person often believes that there is a widespread conspiracy of fraud or gross incompetency among the many thousands of Biologists, Geneticists, Geologists, Physicists, etc., who accept the ToE. When asked to provide evidence of such fraud or incompetency, the person cannot supply it.
3) When asked to explain, in detail, how their interpretation of all the evidence in favor of the ToE is correct and the consensus currently held by thousands of scientists and derived over 150 years is wrong, the person often simply fails miserably. They often don't have their own interpretation of the evidence at all, as they have never thought about providing positive evidence for their position. They have focused only upon the ToE instead of developing a better explanation which takes into account all of the evidence.
So, it's not a matter of rejecting evidence because we are close-minded. It's that there is no evidence to reject. Or, the rejection or explanation that is provided does not take into account all of the evidence because the person doesn't know enough about the field to know what they are ignorant of, or, common and a favorite tactic, their argument all just boils down to personal incredulity.
4) They do not understand much of basic Evolutionary science, or of the basics of how science is conducted, and often have never even tried to learn anything about them. They are often so ignorant of the science that they don't even know how much they don't know, yet feel perfectly comfortable rejecting entire fields of study as "wrong".
Science somehow keeps progressing, we keep getting new medical treatments, making new discoveries, etc., but the Evo-rejectors' arguments haven't changed much at all. The only way they have changed is that as science keeps advancing our understanding of nature, they have had to gradually accept more and more science to not appear completely ridiculous to the public.
That's why, even though it was preached by Creationists for a long time that speciation was impossible because the Bible said that "kinds" were immutable, once science was showing quite conclusively that speciation does happen, most Creationists groups quietly stopped rejecting speciation.
They didn't accept speciation because of the evidence. The evidence was there and generally accepted by scientists for decades before the Creos accepted it. They only changed their tune because they looked dumb for rejecting speciation.
Of course, that's only true of the more sophisticated Creationists. Lots and lots of Creationists that show up on this board are so completely ignorant of Evolutionary science that they don't know how stupid it is to reject speciation.
So, randman, based upon these consistent Evo-rejector characeristics, we often do close our minds to such people.
Because we have already been down this very same road with dozens and dozens of other Creos just like this one.
Why is it so surprising that Evos wouldn't just think the same old tired errors aren't worth considering when they have been dealing with them for years?
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