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PaulK
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Message 99 of 132 (331705)
07-14-2006 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Hyroglyphx
07-14-2006 8:38 AM


Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
I've read the Kalam Cosmological argument. The best part of it is that Craig recognises that it is necessary to actually present an argument for God rather than for some other "first cause". The worst part of it is the content of that argument - it's completely worthless.
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PaulK
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Message 114 of 132 (331943)
07-15-2006 11:18 AM
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07-15-2006 11:01 AM


Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
If you want to support Craig's Kalam argument start a thread on it. I'll have fun showing the serious problems in it.
Pasteur's experiment is irrelevant to abiogenesis (and supports evolution). Whatever Pasteur's personal opinions were doesn't change the facts.
Ad your "allaboutphilosophy.org" site, it is badly misnamed. THe fact that it uses a creationist MD as it's main source ofr this section should tell you something !

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PaulK
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Message 129 of 132 (332006)
07-15-2006 3:18 PM
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07-15-2006 2:27 PM


Re: You gotta stop misrepresenting the issues.
Pasteur's experiment disproved the old idea that lfie was continually coming into existence. Since evolution requires fewer instances of life coming into existence than creationism then Pasteru's experiment is evidence for evolution.
And you're completely wrong to say that evolution requires abiogenesis. Evolution only needs life - probably less than that, although that requires getting into the question of defining "life". So unless you are denying the existence of life abiogenesis really isn't an issue.
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So, a website about philosophy has to pander to your particular brand of philosophy in order to be legitimate? BTW, philosophy is an objective study where it seeks to express ones' view about this or that. That's pretty much what philosophy is all about. So I'm not sure where objection to it lies.
That's not at all what I am saying. What I am saying is that there is clear evidence that the site is far from objective - in fact highly biased. It's not a good resource for information on philosphy or science because it can't be trusted. The author can't even do good research.

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