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Minnemooseus
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Message 143 of 209 (84398)
02-08-2004 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by edge
02-07-2004 11:37 PM


Re: recirculated ocean water
quote:
Yes, the fluids are recirculated ocean water and not water derived from the mantle.
Creationists frequently get challenged to support their assertions.
Just for "grins", I'm going to devils advocate challenge you to support the above quoted.
Trouble maker Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 145 of 209 (84407)
02-08-2004 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by johnfolton
02-08-2004 2:06 AM


Mt. St. Helens floods
From:
Geology of Interactions of Volcanoes, Snow, and Water:
Mount St. Helens, Washington
Eruption-triggered floods 1980-1986
quote:
An explosive eruption of Mount St. Helens on 19 March 1982 had substantial impact beyond the vent because hot eruption products interacted with a thick winter snowpack. A blast of hot pumice, dome rocks, and gas dislodged crater wall snow, which avalanched through the crater and down the north flank. Snow in the crater swiftly melted and formed a transient pond. The pond deepened swiftly and discharged a destructive flood down the north flank of Mount St. Helens and from there down the North Fork Toutle River valley.
I'm afraid the USGS trumps AIG on this one. A lot of melted snow, not magmatic water.
Moose
ps by edit:
quote:
4. Preliminary melt inclusion chemistry suggests low volatile contents in WIP magma types, but small H2O contents (1—5 wt%) in some CA types; accordingly, magmatic temperatures could be up to ~100C lower (in the most water-rich magmas) than indicated above.
From CASCADIA MAFIC MAGMATISM AND HETEROGENEITIES IN THE MANTLE WEDGE
Not that great of a reference for the water topic. - Technical, but not primarily on magma volatiles. Still, maybe interesting reading on Cascade volcanics. There is at least a little that is specific to Mt. St. Helens
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Minnemooseus
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Message 147 of 209 (84424)
02-08-2004 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by johnfolton
02-08-2004 4:09 AM


Re: Mt. St. Helens floods
I will try to research things further. Right now, I concede there is a certain volatile content (including water) to volcanic magmas. I'm not buying that it's anywhere close to your percentages. I suspect that a big part of your explosion might be from groundwater derived water, not mantle derived water. But more research required.
By the way, while your Kola drill hole is quite an impressive achievement, it was nowhere near to getting to the mantle. I think that the "into the mantle" number you cited was the total depth of the hole. Perhaps this has been covered upstring, and I missed it.
One more thing. Try to find your reference from the USGS (United States Geological Survey), or some other journal source, or at least a science magazine. Citing AIG carries about as much weight in this arguement, as citing a "People" magazine article.
Moose

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