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arguing with me that a commandment was not made saying , 'i God shall punish myself for punishing your sin' is simply a waste of time

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I wasn't arguing that. I was arguing that there was a commandment which read "thou shalt not kill". If I'm mistaken on that, or if there's a postscript which reads "except in the case of punishment", let me know.So this means that if someone covets their neighbor's oxen, I can kill them? It's punishment for their sins, right?And as far as punishment goes... how did Job sin? How did his wife and children sin? Were these punishments, or was God trying to win a bet? (As I remember the book of Job, it was the latter.)How does a stillborn baby sin?How did the children in Sodom and Gamorrah sin?

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NO do not say this as it is wrong God IS sinless just because you do not follow the rules you somehow want to blame him which is again futile!

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Actually, considering that I've never killed anyone, I'd say I'm obeying at least one of the rules better than he is. Regardless, I'm not trying to blame anyone. I'd have to believe in God to blame him for anything. I'd just like some inconsistencies in a religion explained to me.-----------
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'Actually, considering that I've never killed anyone, I'd say I'm obeying at least one of the rules better than he is. Regardless, I'm not trying to blame anyone. I'd have to believe in God to blame him for anything. I'd just like some inconsistencies in a religion explained to me.'well then since you dont even believe how then can you judge, and by the way you have sinned i'll bet,have you ever lied stole something,lusted after a woman.
How dare you accuse my God of sin when you do not even believe in him.I think i know more than you in this case because you are still self righteouss (not made righteouss by Jesus because you dont even believe in the only begotten son of God) by all means keep on sinning although you will face the consequences like in Noah's day when God said , their whole heart was wicked and evil!not only do you not believe but you are still a filthy rag , go and attack another religion and offend me no longer!

By Christian mythology, he doesn't have a choice, thanks to your inept God who cannot even create a perfect being.Oh and don't bother condemning me to Hell, I already have a seat booked

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well then since you dont even believe how then can you judge

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Because I've read the same texts as you (more thorougly actually, by your own admission) and have the same capacity to interpret them.

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by the way you have sinned i'll bet,have you ever lied stole something,lusted after a woman.

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Oh, sure. I've lusted after a great many women. Most notably Angelina Jolie. Never stolen though, to my memory at least. What's your point?

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How dare you accuse my God of sin when you do not even believe in him.

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I don't believe in Rhett Butler, either. I can still point out that it was wrong and hypocritical when he left Scarlet to die out in a field.

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I think i know more than you in this case because you are still self righteouss

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Wow, I didn't know I knew you in real life. I mean... for you to say something about me like that, I must have met you outside of this forum. In fact, you must know me really well.If not, you might wanna keep the guesses as to my personality in check.

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(not made righteouss by Jesus because you dont even believe in the only begotten son of God)

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That's true, I don't. How does that make me self-righteous?You know, for someone who goes on about not casting stones, you sure are quick with the insults.

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by all means keep on sinning

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Thank you, don't mind if I do.

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although you will face the consequences like in Noah's day when God said , their whole heart was wicked and evil!

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not only do you not believe but you are still a filthy rag

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There's those stones again. We can assume you are without sin, then?

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'That's true, I don't. How does that make me self-righteous?'so then although you have read more than me you do not interperat much do you,considering you dont even remember that only by Jesus we are made righteouss with God'There's those stones again. We can assume you are without sin, then?'i have sinned but again my righteousness is as filthy rags to God i am made righteouss by Jesus Christ .i only called you a filthy rag because you cannot justify yourself without Jesus,i apologise , i was angry.'Thank you, don't mind if I do.'then you do admitt you prefer the darkness to the light , you cannot judge even more so now!!!'Why do you keep seeing questions as attacks? I hope no one ever actually tries to offend you; I doubt you'd be very Christian toward them.'it is the fact that you only attack christians that bothers me , i assume you do this because they are your biggest rival and do not agree with your opinions

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so then although you have read more than me you do not interperat much do you,considering you dont even remember that only by Jesus we are made righteouss with God

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I remember it. I just don't believe it.

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i have sinned but again my righteousness is as filthy rags to God i am made righteouss by Jesus Christ .i only called you a filthy rag because you cannot justify yourself without Jesus,i apologise , i was angry.

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No, I admit that I enjoy things which you define as sin, but which I see nothing wrong with.In fact, in a couple minutes I plan on going home to my girlfriend and engaging in some severe lust in my heart, or maybe even in my flesh. And that's fine by me.

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it is the fact that you only attack christians that bothers me , i assume you do this because they are your biggest rival and do not agree with your opinions

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I don't see any Muslims, Jews, Raelians, or anyone else with an unsupported assertion on this board. If they try and present their beliefs as facts, I'll be sure to question those ideas too.------------------
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hi Brian'Oh and don't bother condemning me to Hell, I already have a seat booked 'i have no power to condemn you i am as sinful as you if not more.'By Christian mythology, he doesn't have a choice, thanks to your inept God who cannot even create a perfect being.'why such anger i suggest you read what Jesus has for you and how he loves you, he did not come to condemn you Brian you have just as much right to Jesus promises as me, and whoever says your condemned (so called christians )have wronged you.

'In fact, in a couple minutes I plan on going home to my girlfriend and engaging in some severe lust in my heart, or maybe even in my flesh. And that's fine by me.'blimy Dan i'm blushing cool down boy!'No, I admit that I enjoy things which you define as sin, but which I see nothing wrong with.'every one is guilty of this , including me , and by deeds we will both fall short of God , but if you confess this to God you indeed will be saved.And believe it or not in time these things lose there grip on you.

i seek not to say i am not guilty of sin. but people think they cannot believe because they enjoy life,not so we are all filthy and i have no right to judge anyone,God isn't the bad guy in the sky,that is what maybe churches teach or ignorant people, but not me, God has this unfortunate reputation , like if you admitt you enjoyed a sin he will cast you out, not true,he knows WE ALL are guilty and is waiting to forgive all his sons and daughters!as he knew our very names before the creation!

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You are more sinful than me, as I do not sin then you have to be more sinful.You misunderstand me, I am not angry at all, I do however get embarrassed sometimes when I realise that I actually believed in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour. I really do not know how I could have been so gullible.It suprises me that adults actually believe that the Bible is true, I honestly think it is nothing better than a children's fairytale book.Oh it has some great pieces of literature in it, but for an adult to take these literally is beyond my comprehension.I do admit that I get angry at times when I see the damage done to childrens' minds by Christian parents who force THEIR beliefs on to the children before that child has had time to develop intellectually.Can you imagine the life the Hovind kids will have, subjected to the continual inane rantings of that imbicile?These poor kids will be bombarded by this cretan's BELIEFS which have absolutely no foundation in fact. Now these kids will either keep braindead Kent's ideas going or will have some serious psychiatric problems if they decide to rebel against his brainwashing.Children should not be introduced to this mythology before they are able to think abstractly and they should be made aware of as many faiths as possible so that they can make up their own minds, they should not be a Chrsitan simply because their parents are.Brian.------------------
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i seek not to say i am not guilty of sin. but people think they cannot believe because they enjoy life,not so we are all filthy and i have no right to judge anyone,God isn't the bad guy in the sky,that is what maybe churches teach or ignorant people, but not me, God has this unfortunate reputation , like if you admitt you enjoyed a sin he will cast you out, not true,he knows WE ALL are guilty and is waiting to forgive all his sons and daughters!as he knew our very names before the creation!

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You say your God is not a bad guy, yet he condemns millions of people to be crispy-fried for eons in hell just because two people sinned? Thank God I'm not a Christian. Mine, He created us innocent, not with a ticket of hell.

Earthquakes have warning? Of course they do. Most of the west coast of the United States is on a fault line. All Americans are aware of this. Just because people choose to ignore the fact that they live on a fault line does not mean they have no warning. We know where fault lines are, that earth quakes occur on fault lines and have hundreds of years of history to back the assumption that earth quakes will hit these general locations eventually. What more warning could you ask for?