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Message 61 of 81 (453704)
02-03-2008 7:09 PM

Reply to: Message 60 by randman
02-03-2008 6:50 PM

Re: May want to read....

Randman, You've been around enough to know how to take care of long urls.

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Long urls force the page to be wider than the screen, and thus make reading each of the posts difficult. Please edit the one you have in Message 60 so we can read the page.

Those all accept some sort of evolution but strongly reject Darwinism.

By calling it something else? By defining evolution and Darwinism to suit their argument instead of how the terms are used in science?

Are you answering fishboy's question -- or what you WANT his question to be?

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Message 63 of 81 (453711)
02-03-2008 7:32 PM

Reply to: Message 62 by molbiogirl
02-03-2008 7:18 PM

Re: Just a word to the wise.

I have no idea who "Goldschmidt" and "Broom" are. Pretty tough to google too.

Professor Robert Broom (November 30, 1866, Paisley - April 6, 1951) -- also see biography

Richard Benedict Goldschmidt (April 12, 1878 - April 24, 1958) -- also see Comments on Goldschmidt

Both before the modern "neo-darwinian" unification of genetics with darwinism.

Both are also commonly misrepresented by creationists (quotemined?).

Nuff said?

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Message 69 of 81 (453718)
02-03-2008 8:24 PM

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02-03-2008 7:48 PM

Re: Just a word to the wise.

Grasse's comments, ... 1978, well after the origin of the modern synthesis.

I was not talking about Grasse.

Goldschmidt, another evolutionist that disagreed with NeoDarwinian mechanisms ...

Goldschmidt is the (1940) author of the phrase "hopeful monster" and thus his major work predates the synthesis. His hypothesis is interesting - see Gould's comments (it doesn't necessarily violate any basic element of evolution) - it comes down to a question of what you define as big change:

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... Steven M. Stanley, like Gould, suggests that some of Goldschmidt's views, while apparently extreme, deviate little more from the neo-Darwinian synthesis than the current punctuational model and seem to err mainly in exaggerating the importance of "chromosomal rearrangements" leading to "rapid changes in growth gradients or developmental sequences, and on what we now call quantum speciation."

What is "rapid change" - and how does it occur - are the real questions eh?

Don't you have any modern references?

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Message 71 of 81 (453725)
02-03-2008 8:46 PM

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02-03-2008 8:38 PM

wandering way off topic but ...

... except some are taking hopeful monsters more sriously, as one of the science writers of the NYTs points out.

Well gosh, randman, that sounds like what I was asking about. Where are those references? Where's the modern work that builds on the stuff that is 50 years old?

You must have missed the DI link for "modern" references ...

I liked "A Mathematician’s View of Evolution," - published in a magazine that states: "Authors need not feel confined to non-fiction: we will consider humor, poetry, fiction, and art forms not yet invented." There's some real journal cred.

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Message 79 of 81 (454940)
02-09-2008 12:49 PM

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02-08-2008 12:25 PM

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Message 81 of 81 (454978)
02-09-2008 4:00 PM

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02-09-2008 1:21 PM

That's because it should have been http://wtf.flying.pig.con

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