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sidelined
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Message 7 of 61 (77613)
01-10-2004 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by TrueCreation
01-10-2004 3:37 PM


TC
Is the tree of knowledge of good and evil not like a loaded gun? A weapon is a definition given to describe that which can cause harm is it not? The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a weapon in that the warning given for eating of the fruit was threat of death.
I have argued about this in other threads concerning how much free will is inherent in a situation of imperfect knowledge faced by adam and eve before they ate of the fruit that would allow the knowledge.
God ceated evil therefore the results of evil in the world rest in the domain of his responsability.

"The Puritans. Our ancestors. People so uptight the English kicked them out. How fucking anal do you have to be for the English to say 'get the fuck out!'"
~~ Robin Williams
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sidelined
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Message 19 of 61 (77820)
01-11-2004 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Silent H
01-11-2004 3:50 PM


holmes
Lol you play a mean Gods's advocate,however the issue comes in your statement.
Let me put it this way, since everyone CAN screw up, how can I trust anyone to determine what the best method is to safeguard the world for me?
There's the rub. Is it not the point of God to be the one who doesnot screw up? As Crashfrog and I have pointed out the God of the bible is not consistent with the idea of a caring parent since God is the one who makes up the game and the rules, how CAN he bitch if humans follow one of the paths he set out? A prudent parent does not play head games.

"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

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sidelined
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Message 30 of 61 (77933)
01-12-2004 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by joshua221
01-11-2004 9:50 PM


Iron Man
The Tree of Knowledge was merely a choice...
Nobodys denying that.But why be pissed off when someone,of their own free will, makes a choice you allowed them? God supposedly creates eveything and then is angry at his creation for doing that which He made possible? This is the action of a being that is not altogether straight in the head.
My contention is still that a God who can allegedly create a universe that is so subtly complex is so blatantly stupid when it comes to humans that He created that I personally find it ludicrous in the extreme. Again this is just my opinion and not intended to upset those who are religious.

"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde
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sidelined
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Message 45 of 61 (81655)
01-30-2004 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by apostolos
01-30-2004 10:42 AM


Re: a last note
apostolos
From the text of Genesis it is clear to see that Adam and Eve were fully capable of knowing that the choice to eat the fruit was both wrong and harmful
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
If they were capable of knowing it was wrong then two questions arise.One what is the effect of eating fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Two Why did the serpent have to explain what the effect would be?
One other question comes to mind in this. Why does God make a serpent capable of deceipt and still claim that Adam and Eve are possesed of free will? We cannot tempt him but he can tempt us?

'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

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Message 59 of 61 (95384)
03-28-2004 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by joshua221
03-28-2004 12:59 PM


prophex
Humans are obviously above the rest of the Earth.
This is an interesting statement variations of which appear from time to time in the forum."Humans are obviously" [insert your own ending].
Yet I never have been able to understand why these things are obvious since there is no follow up offered for the most part.
Would you care to state the obvious for us prophex? Or do you imply that our position is simply a result of being hand picked [chosen if you will] by God?

'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
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