The Christian view of life

Jesus commands us not to judge / condemn others' SINS, because we are sinners ourselves.This is a completely different thing than judging DOCTRINE, which in fact we are earnestly exhorted to do, because it is crucial that the truth be preserved, since there are many wolves in sheeps' clothing who roam about trying to convince us of lies.I am not judging your heart, I am judging your words.

Oh, saying someone does not have faith and does not trust God is not judging their heart? Excuse me, how could I have gotten it so wrong?

Well, excuse me then, but nobody said it is impossible for another human being to understand someone's heart. Scripture merely affirms that we judge by outer things, which are usually false, while God sees into the depths. Find that scripture that you are sentimentalizing as everybody so wrongly does. There is nothing sweet about the heart. God sees the rottenness in it, that's the point, that human beings don't normally see because we tend to judge from our own rotten flesh. But if we are following the directives of God and honestly assessing what a person says, we may in fact accurately surmise what is in that person's heart.

Let's put this silly misreading about the heart and about judging to rest. Scripture is very clear that we ARE to judge false doctrine, in fact we are to study to KNOW true doctrine so that we may defend it against lies. Scripture also has no qualms about our ability to judge another's heart by God's light. Here are just a few verses that make this plain that I pulled up. The first one shows that God sees SIN in our hearts -- and that is the dominant theme of scripture on the heart. The rest are simple statements of judgment about various hearts, showing that human beings can do this:Psa 44:20-22 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.1Cr 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.2Cr 8:16 But thanks [be] to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.

god judges what is in our heart by how we treat others. if it is in our hearts to forgive, we are forgiven.god judges the heart of man. man does not. we are not god, and it is not our place. if we go around playing god, determining who is wicked, and who is not saved, then our own standards will be applied to us. that's not sentimentalizing, that's what the verse says:

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Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

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Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

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it is an utter inconsistency to claim to be saved by grace alone, but to condemn others to the very fate you deserve.

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Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

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Edited by arachnophilia, : added additional verses from luke, for context.

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Don't forget my current favorite. I've learned it off by heart recently:Proverbs 26:5"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit"This presupposes being able to recognise (judge) anothers foolishness and the exhoratation is to answer the folly

You are just repeating the same mistake deerbreh made, which I answered just fine.

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I'M SORRY, THIS IS ALL OFF TOPIC AND I LOST TRACK. Let's get back to the OP's original intention , to illuminate the nihilistic trend in the Christian view of life. Shall we open a new thread to discuss judging the heart and that sort of thing?

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It doesn't really matter about this thread. My own view is that judging others is inevitable, inescapable; we judge them morally and every other way.

Of course judging someone does not always result in a negative judgement. It might be a very favorable judgement.

Like me (hic) judging Faith to be attractively intelligent you mean?

Exactly. There are many judgements one makes. One might judge somebody to be drunk, for example. This could be either a moral judgment ("he ought not to be drunk"--or perhaps, "he ought to be drunk"), or it could be a judgment of fact (whether he is in fact drunk).Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

This is not really the subject of discussion Robin...but if you'd like to open a thread on the subject I'd be happy to discuss it there.Oh! I see my the belle of the ball already has.Where should we go from here Robin? Anything left to be extracted from the OP?Edited by iano, : No reason given.

No, but the problem with Faith's PNT for me is that it's about scriptural authority about judgement rather than judgement per se.

A general disquisition on the various meanings of "judgment" is certainly welcome on that thread, but I'll try to adapt the title to be more overtly welcoming of it if that will help.