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Straggler
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Message 12 of 108 (376279)
01-11-2007 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
Religions are Maps. There can be many Maps of the same Territory. Some Maps may be more or less accurate than others
That is certainly a sophisticated (and I might say unusual) point of view.
However virtually all people inherit their religion from their parents or pervading culture in which they live rather than any sort of logical assessment of the accuracy of the available options.
How does your "many maps theory" account for that fact and indeed your own largely Christian (correct me if I am wrong) convictions and subsequent (I assume) belief in Jesus as the son of God?

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Straggler
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Message 102 of 108 (376697)
01-13-2007 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by jar
01-13-2007 1:37 AM


Maps Malaria and Other Natural Misfortunes
There are quite a few treatments. The problem is not that GOD didn't give us the brains to deal with things like malaria, it is that we don't follow through and get what is needed, where it is needed, when it is needed. That isn't GOD's failing, but ours.
Malaria is a very specific example but there are numerous other diseases, natural disasters and other examples of extreme misfortune that afflict people.
These seem utterly random with no bearing on which map is being used, whether you have a map or not, whether you converse regularly with God or whether you believe conversing with God to be seriously delusional.
Given that those who have maps and converse with God are no more or less likely to experience extreme suffering can we conclude that having a map and conversing with God is of no actual practical benefit at all?
(I would actually suggest that it is the parts of the world most predisposed to religion that are also those which suffer the most death and disease by natural means. So, statistically at least, you might be better off without any communication with God)
'Spiritual' benefit (whatever exactly that is) can take many forms and can be attributed to many sources. The awe of nature, inner peace through meditation, aura cleansing and other new age practices or whatever.
Attributing it to God is just an arbitary choice.
So, given that I am a mapless heathen who has found other means of achieving spiritual health and that the various maps seem to have no practical value at all, is it not logical to conclude that all the maps are equally useless in practise and that those chatting to God are fooling themselves by attributing the basis of their spiritual health to something that exists only within their own heads?
This is my conclusion so if it is a wrong conclusion where am I going wrong?
If my thinking is sound how is it that so many others, including yourself, are so utterly convinced of the opposite view?
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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
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Message 107 of 108 (376741)
01-13-2007 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
01-13-2007 1:38 PM


Re: Maps Malaria and Other Natural Misfortunes
Wrong about the existence of GOD? Who knows. You may well be right. But if you die and suddenly find yourself face to face with GOD, don't you think you would say, "Whoops. Looks like I was wrong about that!"
As unlikely as I think that to be - Yes I would. Followed by a 1001 questions about why things are the way they are. Including why it is that nature is exactly consistent with the complete absence of any sort of compassionate and caring creator overseeing it all.
That and the question as to why he failed to get through to me in the first place.
The point is that I don't really think it matters at all whether or not you believe in GOD. GOD certainly wouldn't care.
As one who does not have enough faith to have absolute 100% certainty in anything, that is very (very very) slightly reassuring..........

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