Some Help from the Creationist

2 questions.The Aborigines and the people in New Guinea, did they keep a record of their ancestry? Do they have a family tree that goes back 40,000/50,000 years?Or did we tell them how long they were there.One other thing, 4000-5000 years is plenty of time to forget an ancestry. My Grandfather could not even remember the name of his Grandfather, or did my family keep a record of our ancestry. I guess it is just not important to some people, but maybe for the God of Abraham it was?
Did Native Indians keep a record, and tell us how long they have been around? Or did we tell them how long they have been here?

Ah, so we told them how long they been there.My point is that we didn't have to tell the Jews how long they been around, they have a record.
That's all.

Yes, I heard of them. Supposedly they happened when the ocean was much lower. If I remember correctly they estimate them to 80,000 years old.But I am not saying they haven't been there for 40,000 years. I am saying they didn't keep a record, like the Jews.Here's a question, has any science, or evidence shown the Jews to be older than their records indicate. And let's not assume that we all came from the same place.*edit*
Ok I read some info, it was 14,000-25,000 years ago. Maybe I am thinking of the wrong caves.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 08-10-2005 06:50 AM

You don't have to drag me through this, I get it.

That's just great, but the problem I find is that the bible says that Noah was told by God that he was going to flood the whole earth.
Noah did not have to know how big the earth was.So if it never happened, and yes, I have a hard time imagining that it did, but you never know, then the bible is wrong, and my question is, why does God allow us to have a bible that is incorrect? God is either almighty or he's not.

Niether one of those answers is a direct answer to my question.Stick to the merely obvious, the incredibly obivous, I got a grip on.

That's exactly what I used to think. But after being on the earth for 40 years, and watching God do certain things in my life, and him letting me know that he exists in a big way, I chose to follow him now.But it's all subjective. I just don't understand why the bible would be incorrect. so far as I know none of it has really ever been proven wrong. There are discrepencies, but they are arguementative.The OT is not as important to me as the NT anyway. I don't think I ever saw anyone in here refute a word that Jesus said.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-19-2005 02:39 PM

So far as I know the record has never been proven wrong.
I am not saying it is wrong or right.

Not if you know all that I know, then it wouldn't make sense.Besides that would be an easy way out. You cannot prove God's non-existance, for every bit of creation cries out his name.If you believe there is no God, then there is the possibility that you are oppressed into believing there is no God, and you are kept from your destiny with him. He created you to do wonderful things here on earth.

That's the poorest analogy I ever heard, lol.But I tend to agree with you.The core of my belief is to Love God with all my heart. and to love others as myself.
Of course I fall short, but I try.So what to you think Jesus meant when he said, I came to fulfill the law, not change it?I think that it's prophets like Isaiah, that understood who and what Jesus was going to be, and he recognized that the world needed to change.

I know. Being saved is a work in progress. Paul said, only those who are in Christ, are with Christ. In other words, we don't want to get caught with our pants down at the wrong moment.

Is there one culture that has a written history of themselves back more than 5000 years? A spoken record?http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&a...Whatever.I do not think you need to know if there was a great flood or not, to find God.

Ice age = great flood ?
lol

Seeing what I see in my life, how history books change, and the inability to accurately report the facts of events, by the media, and even the scientific community, has led me to a place, where I don't really take anything too seriously when it comes to historical information.I find it very interesting, and educational.Whether the OT is correct or not in it's stories/fables makes no difference in the ability to find God's word in it. I believe all the stories of the bible, contain God's word when you apply them to today's real life problems in understanding God. It is however very versatile and subjective to bad interpretation too.The moral of the story of Noah and the great flood to me, is to be righteous, and live a holy life seeking God, to the best of our ability. When we do that, we can be spared from impending disaster. I have been witness to it in my own life, and God counsels me through the tuff parts of life. When you don't live a Holy Life, or a righteous one, you can be subject to a proverbial flood, that is the test, the trial, the tribulation. But in the end victory is bestowed on us.When I die and go to heaven, I will ask God, or I will instantly know whether this is right or wrong.My life in God is about loving God and loving others, I don't care if the earth had a flood or not really.

I know this will sound silly, and it is prbably an ignorant statement, but when I loof at topigraphical maps of the world and it's land masses, all I see is evidence of a world wide flood. Every groove cut into every mountain, and every valley with huge deposits of sand or salt or blackdirt or whatever, looks to me like a flood happened then when all of it receeded, the land was formed with all these cuts, where the streams now flow.I know what you will answer me with, and it involves millions of years of rain, and streams cuitting their grooves into solid rock, and dirt.
Which is fine, but I remember reading somewhere that the measure in PPM of certain minerals in the ocean does not match the amount of time it would have been pouring into the ocean, indicating that rivers have not been flowing long enough to create those cuts in the mountains.Bombs away