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Author Topic:   Is God a Scientist?
Phat
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Message 5 of 33 (400415)
05-13-2007 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by lostcause
05-13-2007 9:34 AM


Reflections on Opening Topic
lostcause writes:
As a person who was brought up with religion and taught that to believe in God is to have faith in god which does not require an understanding and in fact considers any attempt to understand God as blasphemy, I now find it difficult to come to terms with the somewhat sitting on the fence position I now have as an adult. (Don’t worry I will hopefully get to the point).
In my opinion, you want to get feedback from other people and you do not quite know how to approach the issue. Judging from the title, I'm guessing that the issue is the time honored question of whether religion and science can comfortably co-exist.
lostcause writes:
Unfortunately my position is not based on evidence but is merely an attempt to comprehend what science believes is the evolution of man and what was taught to me as a child being basically man (Adam) was created in the likeness of God and had a whole lot of kids and so forth.
Many Christians were told what to believe yet were never taught how to think. God gave us a brain not so that we could simply shut up and believe everything we were taught. Its not blasphemous to question God or to question ourselves and what we believe.
lostcause writes:
The bible as I see it is by the most part written by men as a way to communicate the knowledge passed to them by God (through Jesus). This message was not exclusive as the prophet Mohammad (which I know almost nothing about) passed the same message to Muslims and I am sure this happened to most cultures around the world. This information was written and understood by disciples in the best way they could at the time.
So in other words, you believe that the origin of the message came from God and not from humans attempting to form a religion....right? What do you believe that the essential message of the Bible is? (in a nutshell)
lostcause writes:
Man was created in the likeness of God. At that time man looked in the mirror and there you go God must look like me.
More likely, since there were no mirrors, we saw our reflection in the still waters of a lake! Again, this gets back to the question of whether these early authors were inspired to write what they wrote or whether they originated the stories out of their own imaginations.
lostcause writes:
Simplified I know but I cannot pretend to be the slightest bit intelligent.
Sure you can! We all can pretend to be intelligent! At least we have evolved to the point where we can ask questions and look beyond our next meal and our next mate.
lostcause writes:
As I see it evolution of man started as a single cell organism why can’t this be how God created us, we are his children therefore why cant these single cells be from him?
Are you saying that God had cells? If so, would a Creator need to create using part of Himself to do so? Could he not simply speak the reality of matter into existence?
lostcause writes:
The creation of woman was to take part of Adam (seems like God was doing some Genetic engineering of his own) and create Eve.
My sitting on the fence point of view is that Adam was a single cell evolving into a multi cell organism, be it evolution or God that split that cell creating the female counterpart I couldn’t say.
But once again I don’t think Mark, Luke or John could really explain that to the people.
As I said these are my opinions and could be considered a way to cope with current scientific and historical information as I am sure the creators of the bible did when they came across information that they did not understand. They called them miracles, today we call it science, who knows what they will call it in another 1000 years.
Im guessing that we may still call science science and miracles miracles.
lostcause writes:
Basically could it be that we are a science experiments to God, created and watched over, prophets could be considered Gods lab technicians. If so then we really could be created in Gods likeness as that seems pretty similar to what we do now.
Why would an all-knowing Creator need to do any experiments if He already foreknew the conclusion?
Some people believe that God does not know the choices that we make since we have not made them yet. This is known as Open Theism.
lostcause writes:
Finally and just a last stupid question, but could Dinosaurs be considered Gods lab rats, testing the environment before he chose to release a portion of his own DNA upon this world?
By the way, there is no such thing as a stupid question. There are only stupid answers!
lostcause writes:
Please correct me...
Who do you think I am? God??

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Phat
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Message 8 of 33 (400471)
05-14-2007 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by lostcause
05-14-2007 3:21 AM


What;s In A Name?
I was thinking of one like: Can Science and Religion Co-Exist? but I don't know if that was the intended focus of your topic or not. I did think that Faith/Belief was the direction that you wanted to go.
I am guessing that you have a lot of deep seated religious beliefs and Dogma.
Websters writes:
dogma n 1 : a tenet or code of tenets 2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines formally proclaimed by a church
But I noticed that you seem open to any scientific explanations that could somehow comfortably exist with your evolving concept of faith.
Percy, the EvC Forum founder and owner of this site, has done a couple of excellent posts that describe what science is. Here is one of his better ones.
As far as our religious views go, we have a wide spectrum.
By discussing your beliefs and theories with us, you can formulate more clearly to yourself what it is that you choose to believe.

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