Heaven

Saved from what Shy? H. E. double hockeysticks? Did you know that along time ago the Catholic church was in a little pickle because some considered all sin as punishiable by going to hell. This affected church attendance and the donations were suffering. Well the church decided to let there be venial sin and mortal sin. And also decided to invent a place called purgertory for the venial sinner to be prayed into heaven. This helped boost church attendance which in turn boosted donations. The the church found out that if it sold indulgences more money would flow in. This was a real bonanza! So my point is this what if Hell was invented to keep the faithful inline. And suppose Heaven was invented to reward the faithful. Lets do a thought experiment: You and I are 1000 feet in the earth in a lead encased room. We both take poison and both instantly die. Now what happens? Is there a little cloud of "you" and a little cloud of me? Or do our "souls" mengle and merge? what separates us? How do you maintain your individual self? And where do our souls go? Does your cloud of your soul go somewhere? To Heaven? How? A place must contain a coordinate in space and time to exist. In the year 2004 as of yet there is no current coordinate for either heaven nor hell. Is it at all possible that this is mythology used to manipulate people? If the only way to be saved is through Jesus then what about the multitudes of people born before he? are they in hell? And what about the billions who know nothing of him? The American Indians the Aztecs the Incas, all the Japanese and Chinese, billions have died with no knowlege of him are they all burning in hell? What about today all the millions of people who do not believe that Jesus is God, Jews, muslims, Hindus, Atheist, Agnostics, Buddist? All burning
for eternity ? And yourself, just by CHANCE you where born in a Christian country and had parents that taught you to recieve Christ, what if you where born in Iraq? You would be muslim. What if you were born to a Jewish family? So by your belief would be going to hell. Do you not see the arrogance in that sort of thinking? Your "salvation" dependant on CHANCE that you were born in the right place. I do not think God is a racist. And I feel like Christians tend to condemn anyone who does not accept Christ to hell and personally find this "Im right and you are all wrong mentality ridculous and arrogant Then again I just crazy like that.

Which Bible would that be? Book of Mormon, King James Version, Catholic Bible, The Koran, The Torah? Which bible contains the keys to all of mankind not burning for all eternity.
Which Bible is the only one that is correct and without error?
Because there are Billions who need to know our very eternal existance depends on YOU giving all of US the right information.

Shy, I was being sarcastic when I said our very eternal souls depend on you giving us the right information. Why was I being sarcastic? Because it is ridiculous to think that Billions are burning in hell for not believing in a book compiled over the ages which contains Jewish and Christian mythology(IMO) that has been contorted into this idea that if you dont 'believe' the right thing you will spend eternity in everlasting flames. I was trying in my previous post to show you how narrow minded Christianity can be (not to mention arrogant.) If God is willing to condemn the rest of the earth to hell for not believing a story in a book called the bible then I want no part of that god. I will take my chances with believing in a good god. A just god. A non racist god. Asgara has questions perhaps you can answer them. Peace be with you.

Vatican II in 1962 changed all that Angel, read The church consitution section 5 and section 6.. The Holy Catholic Church has changed its ancient views on grace and who can receive it.
I tried to post a link to it but it did not work, just google search vatican II. [This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-05-2004]