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Sarde
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Message 57 of 98 (97441)
04-03-2004 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Stephen ben Yeshua
03-30-2004 1:48 AM


Let the dead bury their dead
Does that mean all Christians should eventually cut all ties with their family members who are not Christians? Can we not love people who are not Christians? I dearly love my family members and even if they believe differently, I don't think they are godless or 'dead in their sins'. I live close to my family members and regularly visit them. Should I move to the other side of the country and say I want nothing to do with them anymore because I am now a follower of Christ and they are not? The church I go to has as one of their goals to have people 'engage in meaningful relationships with unbelievers' in order to try and bring them closer to God.
Jesus says He comes to divide families. Could He be talking about people severing their ties with their families because their family members are expressly anti-Christian? Or could He be talking about the fact that people will go to Heaven with Him and leave their family members behind because they are 'dead in their sins'?
I mean, I could actually have a chance at bringing my loved ones closer to God. If I leave them, I can be sure that this will never happen. In fact, if I leave them, they will think that this Christianity is a really awful religion to make people abandon those they love...

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Sarde
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Message 81 of 98 (97868)
04-05-2004 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Stephen ben Yeshua
04-05-2004 11:57 AM


Let the dead bury their dead
The point to disciples is that diligent obedience to our Lord's commands gives everyone we know their best chance at salvation from evil in this world, and in the world to come. When God is assured that our natural families pose no threat whatsoever to our love for and obedience to Him, His jealousy is appeased and He will save them so that we may enjoy them further.
Well, to be honest, I am quite sure that my family members pose no threat to my growing relationship with God, as they are in no way opposed to it. And I don't like the idea of God being 'jealous', especially being jealous of people! What kind of almighty God would be jealous of people?
No. You should go into your prayer closet, and ask God to speak to you about each and every one that you dearly love. Ask Him how you yourself are doing, and what you can do to further please Him, and keep His commandments. Then ask Him to give more life to those you love, starting with foundational matters such as the will to live, and the choice or love of truth about how to live.
What do you mean by 'the will to live'? I haven't got any family members who are thinking of committing suicide... You're probably talking spiritual suicide. But I am not one of those who thinks that Jesus is the only way.
Satan has the goal of entangling you in meaningful relationships with unbelievers, so that you are crippled in God's service.
I do not believe this at all. I engage in meaningful relationships with others (be they believers or unbelievers) because I might learn something from them and they might learn something from me. You are basically telling me that the church I go to is lead by Satan? That is something I choose not to believe if you don't mind.
He also wants you to settle for "going to church," instead of "being the church."
I do not "settle for" going to church. I go to church because I feel that God is there and it gives me spiritual strength. But I do not limit my relationship with God to two hours every Sunday morning.
Don't go to church. Go to your prayer closet. Then the church will come to you.
I do both. Going to church helps me to affirm my faith. It seems to me like all churches are evil in your eyes...
This is what Satan would like you to think, what he has worked your whole life, as best he could, to convince you is true.
I'm sorry, but I really think this is nonsense.
Go to your prayer closet, and pray for wisdom. "If any one lacks wisdom, let them ask of the Father, and He will give it abundantly, without reproach."
I do pray for wisdom, just about every night.
But, of course, Christianity is an awful religion. Flee from it, into the heart and arms and wisdom of Yeshua. He is alive, and has paid a great price for the love of you, that you and He might have heart to heart talks, and priceless walks. Make His joy complete, by going to Him, not church or Christianity. He takes no pleasure in fools, and hates hypocrisy, and wants you to stay away from places where such gather.
Churches are not only evil in your eyes, they are also places where fools and hypocrites gather... That is just not true! Yes, every church has hypocrites and fools, but every church also has people who have a real relationship with God and they are the people I want to be with.

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