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"In the end there must have been a creator"

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03-12-2002 10:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Cobra_snake
03-12-2002 5:24 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
[B] Isn't it true that the universe is slowly losing energy in a way that it would be impossible for it to expand and crunch and expand forever?[/QUOTE]
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Nope, it's not true that the universe is losing energy.
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So where did you hear that?
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03-12-2002 10:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Cobra_snake
03-12-2002 9:38 PM

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
[b]I believe that the Laws of Thermodynamics state:
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1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
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2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.[/QUOTE]
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But this is different from "losing" energy. It just means that the energy available for work is reducing. The amount of energy is the same, it just takes different form.
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[QUOTE]So I think that there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning, and that an eternal oscillating universe does not seem very feasible.[/b]
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I have had this explained to me, but I don't understand it well enough at the moment to explain it to you.
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However, one aspect of it it that, in an occilating universe, there is no energy lost to friction.
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There are problems with the oscilating universe, but they don't have to do with the 2ndLoT.
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