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Author Topic:   What if you have never heard of God, Jesus, or the Holy Bible?
zephyr
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Message 12 of 90 (42598)
06-11-2003 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by stevo3890
06-11-2003 1:30 PM


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Despite popular belief you do not go to Hell if you never heard the word of Jesus. "If you were blind, then you would not be guilty" John chapter9, 41. Jesus says a couple times in the New Testament, if you have heard the word and do not listen to it (not a qoute) then you are in trouble while if you haven't then only God can judge.
Only God can judge? Man, his followers have had me convinced my entire life that it's their job. Of course, they usually use different terminology to confuse the issue. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is one of my favorites.
I've heard a lot of disagreement about what happens to people who never hear about Jesus. Out of curiosity, what do you think of the fact that geographic location of birth (and time in history) is the prime determinant of someone's chance of ever hearing the word? What do you believe happens to the vast majority of humanity that never realistically had/has a chance of believing what you do?

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zephyr
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Message 20 of 90 (42683)
06-12-2003 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mike the wiz
06-11-2003 8:42 PM


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and how about the experience NOSY ned,it seems to fit in with a lot that adults have the kid would not seek however to preach.lol!
I try not to be too picky about mechanics, but I have no clue what you were attempting to say there. Don't they teach you about "sentences" at your school?

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zephyr
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Message 33 of 90 (44236)
06-25-2003 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Spud
06-25-2003 6:59 PM


Re: Stories
Cite please! Evolution has been observed. Evolution takes less faith than even your existence, until I see you in person. Schraf suggests that if such an amazing event occurred, people would spread the word until it ended up on the most prolific news medium available today. It's not so much to ask.

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zephyr
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Message 48 of 90 (44357)
06-26-2003 2:36 PM
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06-26-2003 3:13 AM


Re: Stories
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So you were there billions of years ago were you? You observed it did you? It requires more faith to believe in billions of years than it does to believe in thousands of years.
Like crash said, the numbers aren't that important. It's the correlation of every major field of science that convinces me. You're attempting to hide in a shrinking area of uncertainty. I think it's indefensible to keep pointing to the imperfections in our knowledge even as they are whittled away by new discoveries. For a good example, get into our ongoing discussion of radiometric dating. You can either say "we don't know everything, therefore we can know nothing, therefore let's assume science is wrong and this other book with no supporting evidence is right" or you can say "the paleontologists, biologists, geologists, and many specialists agree that life has gradually diversified from something very simple that appeared hundreds of millions of years ago, and the uncertain parts of their knowledge are continually being solved and continue to agree... so maybe they're right."

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zephyr
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Message 58 of 90 (44550)
06-28-2003 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by nator
06-28-2003 4:58 PM


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That my own personal feelings were a terrible arbiter of what was real and what was not.
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Very well said.
This is the worst kind of nostalgia for me... I went through that for a long time and really screwed up my own head with all the internal conflict. I can only conclude in hindsight that I heard what I expected to (anyone sufficiently indoctrinated knows or can guess what God should say to someone in any given situation), that I generally disagreed with it, and that my mind took a very long, hard route out of that dilemma. What I find telling is that, in all the tangible ways, I still live much as I used to. The only difference now is that I look to humanity as the source of good and evil, and to myself and to nature for improvement. This view seems to be just as instructive, just as helpful - maybe even more so for me.

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