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Author Topic:   What if you have never heard of God, Jesus, or the Holy Bible?
contracycle
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Message 43 of 90 (44281)
06-26-2003 5:37 AM


The quote above is garbage.
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Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians all have the same evidencethe same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same starsthe facts are all the same.
The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions. These are things that are assumed to be true, without being able to prove them. These then become the basis for other conclusions. All reasoning is based on presuppositions (also called axioms). This becomes especially relevant when dealing with past events.
I would like to extract from this the following: "Because we start with different presuppositions."
Granted. We all start with presuppositions. Science, however, attempts to address by establishing that an argument should be INDEPENDANTLY VERIFIABLE. It is not sufficient to claim that X is true without also explaining how someone else, even someone else who radically disagrees with you, can follow a methodology themselves, without your inteference, that also produces the result you predicted. And the reason that methodology is emplyed is so that we can get past personal subjectivity - not perfectly, but we've gone a hell of a long way.
Religion, by contrast, makes no attempt to demontsrate independant verifiability. Indeed, the most direct clainms to direct insight are also claimed in special apoologia fior why it CANNOT be proved. The priest asserts that god speaks to them directly and privately, and that the failure of othersb to hear is symptiomatic of their lack of faith. And besides, god is ineffable.
The results of these two different METHODOLOGIES are not hard to see. Religion has kept humanity locked into ignorance and subjection for 6000 years, give or take. Science broke those bonds in only a couple of hundred and allowed us to becoem the only species in the entire history of the planet to gte out of the gravity well. Science kicks arse; sceience works; science descrobes the world accurately while the totally non-rigorous methods of faith can only give us moral bigotry dressed up as divine revelation.
There is no equivalence between reason and faith.

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