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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Obviously you want to have all the standard arguments with Christianity. Well, there are lots of threads where that argument is played out here. Maybe some of them are still open. If not you can start your own. This thread is not about Christianity. It's about whether the Gods of different religions are in fact the same God.
Then unless he's a cruel, petty, vindictive fool he'd understand that the will was there even if it was misdirected in practice! The problem is that this will is NOT seeking God, it's actively aggressively denying what God has given as the right path.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1314 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
inthis thread and this thread
you basically accuse the scientific community of conjuring up their theories and presenting them to the public as fact. I would say that is tantamount to accusing them of being dishonest.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5021 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
faith writes: Obviously you want to have all the standard arguments with Christianity. Eh?
faith writes: The problem is that this will is NOT seeking God, it's actively aggressively denying what God has given as the right path. No. They, like you, will feel they are on the RIGHT path! To punish them would, in my opinion, be vindictive, especially if they are born into a very specific culture and have little or no knowledge of any "path" other than the one that they are on. I wouldn't be so quick to wish punishment on those who choose the "wrong path" - it might turn out to be you who is on it..... Also, you didn't answer my last two qustions. This message has been edited by RickJB, 04-28-2006 04:39 PM
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If they are deliberate corruptions according to Islam but not according to Christians then what we have is CONTRADICTIONS, don't we? Not at one point have I denied that there are contradictions. Why the need to capitalize this? I was simply clarifying that the update doesn't necessarily contradict what the PROPHETS SAID only what has been recorded that the prophets said.
And yes it is PC to take the Islamic line. Christ is hated but Islam is very PC these days. We're either living in different realities or our definition of PC differs enormously. To me, Pollitically Correct means rephrasing words to cause least offense. He's not an idiot, he's mentally challenged. He's not a spastic, he's disabled. I will happily make the same point from the point of view of Jews in the least polictically correct way I can muster if you want. It'll still be the same point. I'm not taking the Islamic line for a second, it is useful to answer the questions in the thread to look to the later religion and work backwards (to see if it is worshipping the same God as an earlier relgion). It is less easy to do it from the first and work our way forwards, if you really like I'll do it but it makes the issue less clear. I could even start in the middle and work my way both ways if you really want, I just went with what was easiest for me to explain.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I've read your replies to me and our opinions are the same on whether or not it is the same god but I call it the same god and you call it different gods. I guess its just a differnce in the way we are using the term. But, the way you are using it would make some of the different denominations of christians as worshiping different gods and I think its obvious that all the christians are worshiping the same god so I think you are wrong.
Christians have added information to the Jewish God, that the Jews don't accept, and Muslims have added info to the christian god, that christians don't accept. But in the end, it is all the same god and the diferences between the religions, even if they are contradictions, don't make it a different god, they just make it different ideas about the same god. Its just that you are calling these different ideas different gods and I just don't agree on the way you are using the terms.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
CS I've tried very hard to clarify what might be a semantic problem here and there. I've tried to explain -- three or four times specifically -- what I mean by different Gods, how the fact that there are these contradictions amounts to the actual worship of different Gods. Your way of putting it, that it's just wrong ideas about the true God trivializes the problem. The problem IS as big as worshiping different Gods. No matter how you cut it ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH.
But, the way you are using it would make some of the different denominations of christians as worshiping different gods and I think its obvious that all the christians are worshiping the same god so I think you are wrong. You would have to explain to me how my position means this. No Christian denomination I know of contradicts the deity of Christ or the God-given inheritance of Isaac.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Modulous, I just DON'T get what you are saying if you are not saying what I've thought you're saying. I just have to give up. I'm sorry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not going there. I've answered that accusation dozens of times. It is a misrepresentation. Believe what you please, but I will not agree to it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
faith writes: Obviously you want to have all the standard arguments with Christianity. RickJB writes: Eh? Some Standard Arguments with Christianity, per your Message 209:
Then I'd hope that unless he's a cruel, petty, vindictive fool he'd understand that the will was there even if it was misdirected in practice! If God created the world then perhaps he should be able to comprehend its complex mixture of cultures? Furthermore, if Christianity IS the "correct path", how exactly is a poor child born in Pakistan to Muslim parents going to find it? By climbing into a Hummer and driving down the freeway to the nearest Megachurch? End Standard Arguments with Christianity example. I don't wish punishment on anybody, and said nothing that implied that I do. What two questions? If you mean the above, they are Standard Accusations of Christianity and off topic for this thread. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-28-2006 07:03 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Faith writes: No matter how you cut it ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH. As the old cleshe goes for an analogy, "If it doesn't look like a duck, flap it's wings like a duck and quack like a duck, it ain't a duck! BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny how us demented fundies are the only logical ones while everybody else seems to be busy making contradictions into equivalences and sows' ears into silk purses.
This message has been edited by Faith, 04-28-2006 08:02 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Faith writes: They deny that Allah was originally the Moon God, although it's one of the best attested historical facts. Do you have convincing evidence for this? All you need do is google "Allah moon god" and you get pages of info, including a few weak refuting sites. I've picked an experpt from a Pakastani link which appears to be one of the more objective, showing archeological evidence et al regarding this issue. I suggest folks interested click the link and read the whole thing which is not all that long.
link writes: Let’s take a peek behind the crescent moon and see what scholars using undisputed sources have discovered, i.e., what the Truth is about the religion of Islam..... Historically, "Allah’ was not invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Qur’an. In fact, the word ”Allah’ was used in Arabia long before Muhammad was born.... There are over fifty reference works that state...that Allah was the Moon-god in pre-Islamic times.... For example, The Dictionary of Non-Classical Mythology states that Allah, ”originally applied to the moon; he seems to be preceded by Ilmaqah, the moon god...Allat; the female counterpart to Allah.’"3 In the report on the Public School episode in California it is stated that: "Arabia was a pagan nation that worshipped over 300 gods. One of those was the moon god named, al-ilah. Legend has it that the moon god mated with the sun god and had two daughters, both of whom were worshipped as goddesses. When Muhammad claimed to have had his ”vision’ and ”revelation’ from Gabriel he chose al-ilah as the god to build his army around. Muhammad shortened the name, al-ilah, to Allah, and declared that he alone should be worshipped. He forbade the worship of the daughters. To this day, a crescent moon can be found at the front of every mosque, acknowledging that Allah was, and is the moon god...." 4 http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/sfdetails.php?id=52 BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
yes, and the hebrew (and christian) god is based on the mesopotamian wind god El. good job.
read the bible and see how many times breath and wind and word are used. it's patently obvious. breathe on me breath of god. cause you're the wind, yo. This message has been edited by brennakimi, 04-28-2006 09:27 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
All you need do is google "Allah moon god" and you get pages of info, including a few weak refuting sites. Yes and all you need to do is Google "+Jesus +Apollo" to find that Jesus is simply Apollo repackaged while Apollo is but another repackaged Mithras. Get serious Buz. GOD is the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Allah is the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
JAR, the master of the unsupported dogmatic assertion.
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