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Charles Munroe
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From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 1 of 91 (54507)
09-09-2003 2:08 AM


Posted a message recently and got a garbled response to the question asked. Why do we need Creationism, or for that matter Genesis? The New Testament functions quite nicely without the Old Testament and avoids all the controversial materiel. Example : God created everything and that must include the devil. God wanders off leaving his creations in the company of a being God knows is evil, leaves a deadly fruit tree where naive Adam and Eve can eat thereof and when these two innocents are duped into eating the fruit what odes God do? Throws them out of paradise. What does God do to the evil one? Commands him to crawl on his belly which, if I recall, is what the serpents did prior to the so called punishment.
Q. Why, if God loved his creation, could he act so carelessly?
A. Why he was testing humankind.
R. Really. I only count two that were tested. The rest of us weren't born yet and I don't see the logic of my suffering for the mistakes of people long before I came on board.
A. Well, it was passed down genetically.
Q. Well, if so then why didn't God sterilize one or both to stop the spread of evil?
A. Oh, God couldn't do such a terrible thing.
Q. But he could drown most all life on earth in the flood of Noah? Maybe fundamentalist should consider circular filing the Old Testament and concentrate on the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said "all have sinned" and I think it is a very poor showing of faith when one has to resort to the Old Testament to confirm what Jesus said.

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Charles Munroe
Member (Idle past 3664 days)
Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
Joined: 09-07-2003


Message 12 of 91 (66954)
11-16-2003 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Zealot
11-16-2003 3:40 PM


Responding to Zealot
Zealot : I had to read your message several times. I just couldn't believe what I read. You stated that if given the chance everyone of us would have eatten of the fruit (by the way it wasn't an Apple, the text says fruit only). OK! According to your way of looking at things it is perfectly OK for the district attorney to swear out a warrant for the arrest of a person because "if given the chance to commit a crime that person would do so". Whoaaa!!!
Then to compund your brilliance you make the statement that I have a frustration with GOD.I suggest you go back to my message and reread it. I have no problem with Jesus I do have a problem with text that makes GOD out to be on the same mental and moral level as any of the murderous despots of history. I have trouble with text that clearly states that GOD screwed up, failed to take action that even the village idiot would have had sense enough to employ. If you would bother to read the text evil was already in the world before Adam or Eve ate of the fruit. Now who do you supposed created the devil? Sure wasn't Adam or Eve or you or me. Who was it that failed to inform Adam that the serpent was an evil creature and not to be trusted?
No, Zealot I have no problem with Jesus but massive problems with the Old Testament that approves of slavery, genecide, killing of witches and other ugly things. I don't see any need to pray to a God that murders people, particularly little children as in the Noah flood. Thanks but I'll stick with Jesus, you can keep that beast you refer to as GOD.

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Charles Munroe
Member (Idle past 3664 days)
Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
Joined: 09-07-2003


Message 82 of 91 (67857)
11-19-2003 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Dan Carroll
11-19-2003 11:27 AM


Worth while instructions
I have to agree with the administrator that this line is getting way off base and only a few have addressed the original questions. When answering lets all stop and think about what we are going to say. Does it make sense or have we "Parked our brains outside the church house door." as Reverend Gene Scott states.
Lets make a concerted effort to distinguish between what is fact and what is merely our opinion. Let us also avoid making unwarranted claims against one another such as assuming one is an atheist just because they have a different slant on Biblical text. What an indiiduals beliefs are is not relevant; the degree of validity of the statement made by that person is.
OK! If the administrator decides it is time for a new line here goes. The Old Testament prescribes the Hebrews to form a lock of hair on one side of their head, not boil a kid in its mothers milk (Exodus 23:16), and decrees that when a son insults his father or mother he shall be put to death, ect. Why in all of these dubious commands isn't there something useful for humans. Such as ; "Thou shalt boil the water before drinking thereof." "Take thou animal fat, wood ash and boil to make thee soap with which to cleanse thyself." Why did it take over 2,000 years for louis Pateur to come up with sanitation and the Romans to discover soap. Lets not get into why there are bacteria and viruses in the first place.

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