The War On Terror Will End When.........

1. All nations become fundamentalist Muslim and Islam prevails to dominate the world as per the Quran and the Haddith. These two verses are two of many cited here. I see this likelihood also depicted in the OT prophesies, particularly Ezekiel 37-39. I also see it emerging in current events. 2. Armageddon becomes a reality when the 2nd advent of messiah Jesus prevails to destroy the armies of the world and establish messianic world kingdom as prophesied. Zechariah 14:1-16 ASV {For a reading of the entire chapter for more on this, click the link.} For NT corroborating reference to this phenomonal event see Revelation 16 ASV (Again, for full context click link)Revelation 16:14 for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
Revelation 16:15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.)
Revelation 16:16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.So get used to war, my friends. There is no other way this war on terror can possibly be won and end. This thread is intended to discuss and debate my POV and/or to offer other POVs about possible alternatives.Comments and information relative to the topic may include aspects of religion but should not become so much so that we loose our way.I'm not sure where this should go. Edited by Buzsaw, : Provide Subtitle

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Since I'd like to keep it as is the Free For All would be fine with me.

If it is permissible for me to put this thread in Free For All I request that this thread be closed by an administrator in order that I may do so. Thanks

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I prefer Social and Religious Issues. I didn't think of that before. If not, perhaps Faith and Belief.

Rahvin, did you even read the official Islamic doctrinal statements which I've cited from the holy books from which Islamic doctrine is determined and which is being reflected in modern fundamentalist Islamic nations by their leaders and clerics? These official doctrines from Mohammed and his successors which are being practiced and openly advocated by the governments of Sudan, Iran, the PLO and which are being being funded by oil rich Saudi Arabians etc are the forces which are infiltrating the Western nations in Europe, SA and the US.In spite of some disgruntled youth which you mentioned, the advancement of militant Islam is happening globally.Please give just one possible specific alternative end to the war on terror which you could suggest other than what I have stated? Let's hear it. Keep in mind as you try to come up with an alternative that the children in the PLO elementary schools and elsewhere are taught that Jihad, including suicide missions by them is a noble and rewarding act. There are multiple thousands of these bombers waiting their turn and opportunity to act for Allah wherever they are needed.Are you denying that the official Islamic position globally is to force the world to be subjected to Allah and Islam both past and present?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Grizz. You say ".....letting such beliefs determine your outlook....." The beliefs which determine my outlook are not so much about my beliefs as they are about my observations of the world we are in. I look at the real present world and what's going on an I look at the Islamic prophet's declarations and I see he, his successors and the majority of modern Islamic heads of state and clerics really believe and practice what the prophet himself practiced and advocated, i.e. world subjection to Islam by violence.Then I read the Biblical prophecies for the latter days about the nations mentioned in the prophecies including Israel and the whole Middle East which opposes her along with Northern Africa and Russia. I see the nations gathering to battle in the region as the prophecies say to the nation which has been regathered from the nations as prophesied and I go figure. I see no way out of the war on terror but these two which I've stated.You can even forget the Biblical part and go with the Islamic agenda we are observing.As yet nobody has come up with a specific alternative (abe: to ending the war on terror.) I'm still waiting for that here. All I'm getting is if only this or if only that, etc. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.Edited by Buzsaw, : remove a word

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What the eye observes is what is to be processed by the frontal lobes of our brains. The eye observes the real world. Your eyes need to focus in on what is observed so that your brain can process into your mindset what is a militant frenzied host of Islamic nations full of citizenry who have had this ideology programmed into their minds all of their lives from little children. Nobody takes these people seriously but themselves who know what they want and will sacrifice everything including their very bodies to achieve it. These fanatics have weaponry which the planet has never encountered before, being men, women and little children bomb squads willing to go wherever they are sent to destroy, maim, kill and conquer.Our destiny is not in our own hands. It's in theirs, so long as we stick our proverbial heads into the sand and ignore what they said they would do and what they are doing.Our destiny is also determined by the fact that if we are to resist Islamic world domination we find ourselves at war. We either bow to the Islamic god Allah, become enslaved to the Islamic god Allah's people or we resist with warfare.Our fatefully flawed warfare goes in, conquers and then we foolishly send billions and expend multiple thousands of personel to rebuild Sheiha Islamic theocracy in Iraq compatible to that of Iran sharing our weaponry and expertise for eventual Islamic world conquest. (Shame on the Bush Administration) We look at the Middle East and we see this tiny piece of real estate which is the nation of Israel. This little tiny piece of real estate is where the Biblical prophecies are focused. This little tiny piece of real estate is also where the Islamic nations are focused so far as it being a thorn in their quest for world domination. They all say it must go and they must have it (as prophesied in Biblical scripture). This little piece of real estate is also where the Biblical prophecies have been focused which is to become the capitol of the world for messianic kingdom prophesied for the last days of this Gentile age. This little tiny piece of real estate has become prominent in world news since it's restoration as a nation in 1948 as Biblical prophesies have declared for the latter days.So Grizz, like I said, I'm observing the real world and applying what I observe in the scriptures which coincide with what we see, hear and read in the news media today.Your alternative, as I understand it is pie in the sky and notagona happen. Who is going to change people, as your alternative suggests? People will behave and think as they are taught to behave and think. That is no doable solution to the real live observable ongoing war on terror. Nobody is going to change the minds of the terrorists who are funded by governments and millions of people who back them. The alternative to leave them alone means surrender to them either as slaves or converts.One reason they will first succeed as the Biblical prophecies indicate is that they have succeeded in convincing the West that Islam is a peaceful religion. This lie is purposely propagated so as for Islam and Jihad to infiltrate Western governments and cultures to soften up prior to takeover. It's happening in Europe big time and in the US as well.The US now has at least (I say at least) one PUBLIC school which is Islamic. Link the above and what you read should astound you.......Still waiting for a doable alternative to the war on terror besides the two I've cited. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rahvin, this is not the dark ages. Things have changed. Try to focus in on a doable alternative in our troubled times to end the war on terror to what I've suggested. I'm convinced there's no other. Prove me wrong. LOL!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Well, Grizz, all I can tell you is what I do.1. As I see the prophecy of Mohammed that Islam will prevail over all nations by the sword and as I see his prophecy emerging to fulfillment I try to enlighten my fellow countrymen/women to the threat so as to perhaps slow the advance of this threat to our nation, our state, our county or our community. I don't want children in my hometown public funded school to be subjected to Islamic indoctrination as exists in some CA and MN public schools; likely elsewhere as well.2. By understanding this as fulfillment of Biblical prophecy I urge our representives in government to see that we don't allow Israel to fall to the demands of her enemies. It is partly because of the US that Israel has not fallen yet. God has raised up the US as a nation for this purpose and as a missionary base for propagating his gospel globally. This is all providential. God uses his people and both totalitarian and free nations to effect his program and to thwart the forces of evil. I work to do my little part in God's kingdom and purpose. This will benefit in eternal reward in the judgement as I understand the scriptures.3. It is reassuring to know that in the end the eternal plan, purpose and kingdom of the Biblical god, Jehovah and his christ/messiah Jesus will prevail. Is this blind faith? No. Why? Because of the evidence we observe that the prophecies are on tract and being fulfilled as we read, hear and see in the media. It's like reading the back of the book and good ultimately prevails!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain, your false implication here is that the war in Iraq is what comprises "global terrorism." Do you really believe that to be the case??? What about Israel and the stated Jihadist agenda as supported and advocated by heads of state and Islamic clerics worldwide? What about the Jihadist agenda/ambitions for Europe, Great Britain, and the Americas as they work to infiltrate our governments to subvert, intimidate via violence and conquer?

Rahvin, think about your phrase backed up with modern weaponry. This factor alone is very significant. Us older folks remember the Kamikazes of WWII who believed in emperor worship, believing eternal rewards were to be gained by suicidal sacrifice. Imo had we not dropped the Atom bombs, these Kamikazes had the potential of turning the ending of this war the other way around.But now we have a far greater host of multiple thousands who have been indoctrinated since children, believing there will be significant reward for suicidal sacrifice for their Muslim god, Allah. Compared to the Kamikazes, the threat here is far greater and certainly no comparison whatsoever to the swords of the dark ages. They don't need an airplane and their target is anywhere any place on the globe where they are sent for their mission. They are willing to kill both rival Islamic factions as well as the despised Jew and infidel.How can you compare this to the events of the Dark Ages? You can't. There's no way these fanatics can be stopped so long as the governments of their nations and their national educational institutions program this mentality into their minds. THESE NATINONS ARE DETERMINED TO TAKE THIS ALL THE WAY TO HAR-MEGEDDON which, according to the prophet Zechariah will occur at the Valley of Jehosaphat/River Kedron between the Mount of Olives and the Temple Mount at Jerusalem, Jerusalem being the center of contention in this war on terror! For them it a fight to the death and there's no way for sophisticated aircraft or other weaponry to stop them! BTW, please provide some evidence for your claims that there is a significant global youth movement among Islamic youth willing to die as heretics (zindigs) who depart from Islam. OTO the following paragraph is a sampling of the evidence in this site alone showing how Hamas youth as well as all of the citizenry are kept in the fold in Islamic theocratic regimes.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Doc, as is often the case with you, you contribute nothing significant to the debate. You ignore my points, including why the present threat is not comparable to the Dark Ages etc.It would be appreciated if you would contribute something of significance to the thread and refrain from clutering it with non sequitur red herrings.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Doc and Mgirl: The thread is about ending the present war on terror. I have explained in detail the difference in this war on terror in which there is no defense against the indiscriminate bombing tactics etc and the Dark Age oppression perpetrated by the popes and bishops of Vatican City. This is not a matter of knife & sword weaponry. If you two don't agree, fine, but I've responded to your points with full explanations of my position.Imo, your job is to refute my points as to specifically how the present war on terror, given the terroristic methodology, can be ended other than the way which I've cited.Furthermore, you would need to disqualify the prophecies of both Mohammed and the Bible as being significant relative to what we are observing relative to the gathering of the nations against Israel in the ME and the significance of the restoration of the nation of Israel in light of Biblical prophecy.As well, you would need to disqualify the prophet Mohammed's prophecy that Islam would imerge as the major world power in the latter days via Jihad etc.Your only response so far has been what I see as a red herring. The Dark Age despots, i.e. popes and bishops of Vatican City were limited to sword technology which was capable of being overthrown/overpowered by superior forces.As well, the Reformation which was also a factor in ending the Dark Age oppression was not effected by an unlimited number of militants supported by a number of fundalistic nations able to deliver deadly terror wherever they chose with powerful explosives. Nor were thousands of militants of the Dark Ages willing to expend their own lives as suicidal destroying weapons.If you can refute the above and explain your own unique doable end to the present war on terror, then your arguments will begin to become significant to the topic of this thread. Please explain the specifics of how the point you're trying to make here equals what we observe today relative to ending the present war on terror.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Unlike the Dark Ages, the forces of Islamic Jihad today are making alarming progress into nuclear weaponry.2. Unlike the Dark Ages these Jihadists also have the blackmail leverage of much of the global oil supply which deters the Western powers who need the oil to retaliate. This is especially significant with Saudi Arabia who is awash in oil cash, much of which they are sending to the US and Europe to build Trojan horse mosques and finance Jihad worldwide wherever they choose. This, btw, is a major difference in the present war on terror and the Dark Ages.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain, your statement appeared to read that since you think Iraq wasn't global terrorism there's no global terrorism. That's the way I read you.1. Global terrorism doesn't mean every single nation on earth is being terrorized. It means there's conspirators to effect terrorism wherever on earth the terrorists chose to target to achieve their goal which with Jihad is to dominate the globe.2. Whether or not Iraq was invaded Iraq contributed to global terrorism by funding and supporting Jihad against Israel as funds were given to suicide bombers by the Iraqi government. They also refused to allow inspection by the world body to whom they said they would allow in.