I don't think that God owes any individual some sort of interference, but he owes us, as his children, at least some things. Like you said, a good upbringing, at least, fits the bill.
As you say, that is generally provided for.
I didn't mean to imply that he owes us more stuff right now. I just think its wrong to say that God owes us nothing. Especially if he's gonna say he's our father.
I hesitate to deal with the conflicted mess I see in the paragraph above. In my opinion, God does not owe us diddly, or at least would not if he had not promised something else.
Given an all-knowing Father, wouldn't they share some of the responsibility in setting up their creation with the foreknowledge that we'd fuck it up?
Not in my opinion. But then I don't believe in the preordained, God dictates our fate, doctrine anyway. Such a belief is incompatible with free will, and I think we do have free will. By an act of nature or through God's gift, we've been given a heck of a start; a start that could be made into a monster if we all pull together as a team. (My apologies to PF) I don't believe we are too ignorant as a species to make something out of that, but we might screw it up and leave things to the dolphins. But that's on us.
And IMO, God has intervened. I think most Christian believe that.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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