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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
jar
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Message 23 of 149 (146332)
09-30-2004 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dpardo
09-30-2004 12:28 PM


Actually, I was not only giving my opinion, but that of much of the Christian Faith as well. For example, Episcopla Bishop Sims of the Atlanta Diocese said in his Pastorl letter on Evolution
But even here the distinction between religion and science is clear. In Genesis there is not one creation statement but two. They agree as to why and who, but are quite different as to how and when. The statements are set forth in tandem, chapter one of Genesis using one description of method and chapter two another. According to the first, humanity was created, male and female, after the creation of plants and animals. According to the second, man was created first, then the trees, the animals and finally the woman and not from the earth as in the first account, but from the rib of the man. Textual research shows that these two accounts are from two distinct eras, the first later in history, the second earlier.
It is two different and mutually exclusive statements. Chapter 1 and 2 tell totally different stories.

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Message 32 of 149 (146522)
10-01-2004 3:22 PM
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10-01-2004 2:57 PM


Of course he could be wrong.
But Genesis 1&2 still give two totally different stories, in how things were done, when things were done and what things were done at each step. I just don't see anyway around it and the issue has not been a big thing for a long time in theology. Even way back in the 50's when I was studying it no one had any problems accepting that it is not to be read literally. The two tales appear to have been from two entirely different sources, two different periods. I don't know of any source that does not accept that interpretation.
Basically, GOD is saying, "Look folk, this is not a book that you should take literally. To get that point across here are two different stories in Chapters 1 & 2. I can't make it any plainer for you so here it is right up front. Read the book but don't try to make it something it isn't. The book is about WHY, it's not a history, it's not a science text, it's a religious book"

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Message 36 of 149 (146531)
10-01-2004 3:51 PM
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10-01-2004 3:25 PM


What is the value of your interpretation?
It's not interpretation, it's what was written.
How does this benefit you?
It gives me a better understanding of the Bible and what its purpose is.
What purpose would I have in trying to falsify the Bible to make all the parts fit?
The Bible was written by plain old humans, very much of their era, to be read by people of the era. It is idiomatic, has been edited and modified for cultural and political purposes and is a compendium of writings. It is a composite of many cultures, many traditions, many oral histories. It borrowed freely (as did Christianity later) from all of the cultures, societies, religions and traditions that surrounded the authors.

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Message 42 of 149 (146619)
10-01-2004 7:09 PM
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10-01-2004 5:37 PM


No, Genesis 2:18 is NOT referring to the creation of Eve - that is the eventual outcome of the decision. But first God creates animals and birds in an attempt to find a suitable helper.
Sheep were close though.

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Message 82 of 149 (147097)
10-04-2004 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Amlodhi
10-04-2004 12:26 AM


I think we also need to remember that the people writing these tales had a different idea of what accurate meant than we might apply from a 21st century scientific perspective. This was not unusual and actually continued well into what we might consider modern times.
For them, there was an underlying TRUTH. And facts, history, as we might see it simply did not play a part. This continued and can be seen in the Aurthurian legends where Arthur is said to have taken part in battles long after he would have been a dottering old man.

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Message 129 of 149 (149047)
10-11-2004 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by JasonChin
10-11-2004 5:03 AM


......that's not how I roll, yo.
Common courtesy sugests that you follow forum guidelines. Successful communication requires that you present information in a form that the reader or listener can use. Good sense says fear the "Venus" of Willendorf.

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