CrazyDiamond7 writes:
the blood of the lamb over the door post and lintels; and the Great Shalem-Beth (Complete Rest) of the Hebrews do represent the Passover of the Hebrews.
Jesus was betrayed, captured, and brought before the High priests on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, the passover feast. Most likly in the year of Jubile, since Pilate mentions, in all four gospels, the custom of releasing a prisoner to the Jews during the time of the feast. Pilate released a murderer, (at their behest) and sacrificed in his place the passover Lamb, the one which God provided, just as he did on the mount of 'Jehovah-jireh' for Abraham, in place of Isaac. Where God said to Abraham, "since you did not withhold your son, your only son, whom you love, from Me, In your Seed all nations will be blessed because you have headed My voice." Paraphrasing a bit; God said to Abraham, because you did not withhold your son from Me, I will not withhold My Son from the world.
Lets talk about the Hebrew sign of the seven. Seven in the scripture refers to completeness, perfection, and finality. Im not realy big into numerology but just as a cursory examination: God rested on the seventh day. Israel marched around Jerico seven times, there where seven years of famine in Josephs time, Nebacadneser went insane for seven years. Seven petitions are made in the LORD's prayer, seven loaves fead the multitudes, Jesus spoke from the cross seven times. Isaiah (11) speaks of the seven manifestations of the spirit that would be present in the messiah. The spirit of the LORD will rest upon Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. (Matthew 3:16 ; 4:1-11 ; 26:39;42 ; Mark 1:10;13 ; Luke 2:22-35;47-52 ; John 17 ; 18:4-8) The number seven appears 30 times in the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ. Seven lampstands which are the seven churches, seven churches, seven stars which are the messengers to the seven churches, seven angels of the seven churches, seven spirits of God (concerning the Lamb), seven seals; the seventh seal opens the seven trumpets, seven trumpets; the seventh trumpet opens the seven bowls, seven bowls; which is the tribulation lasting seven years, seven angels, seven plagues, seven golden bowls, the Lamb has seven horns (symbolizing complete omnipotence), the Lamb has seven eyes (symbolizing complete omniscience), seven peals of thunder, there are seven thousand people killed in an earth quake, seven thousand more repent and are saved, seven kings, seven mountains, the great red dragon (satan) has seven heads and seven diadums (crowns), etc. etc. etc. One thing seems painfully obvious; that untill the things revieled in the book of revelation come to pass, there can be no completion concerning man, the law, and the prophets.
I have tried looking for your green tree theory in the OT and I simply cannot find it, perhaps this once you can give me a chapter and verse or atleast several paragraphs before and after so I can get a general idea of where in the OT you are reading this. Concerning Jesus and parables the two most important things to concider are 1) His audiance (who He is speaking to) and 2) the words being spoken (which are generaly symbolic and concern the current situation or the audiance) Now first and formost lets grab the context:
Luke 23 writes:
27 And there was following him a great multitude of the people, and of women, who also were beating themselves and lamenting him, 28 and Jesus having turned unto them, said, `Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but for yourselves weep ye, and for your children; 29 for, lo, days do come, in which they shall say, Happy the barren, and wombs that did not bare, and paps that did not give suck; 30 then they shall begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us, and to the hills, Cover us; --
31 for, if in the green tree they do these things -- in the dry what may happen?'
In the book of Judges chapter 16 verses 7 and 8 the word green is used to denote freshness or youth, ergo not dry. Most of the other referances deal with green trees on hills and under green trees on hills, as well as green grasses and herbs, (no mention of green wood); but, there is one interesting passage in the book of Ezekiel (17:24)
Ezekiel writes:
22 Thus said the Lord Jehovah: I have taken of the foliage of the high cedar, And I have set [it], From the top of its tender shoots a tender one I crop, And I -- I have planted [it] on a mountain high and lofty. 23 In a mountain -- the high place of Israel, I plant it, And it hath borne boughs, and yielded fruit, And become a goodly cedar, And dwelt under it have all birds of every wing, In the shade of its thin shoots they dwell. 24 And known have all trees of the field That I, Jehovah, have made low the high tree, I have set on high the low tree, I have dried up the moist [green] tree, And I have caused the dry tree to flourish, I, Jehovah, have spoken, and have done [it]!'
Again a refeance to the diferance between youth and old age. Another referance in chapter 20 verse 47 again refers to the diferance between youth and old age. I do not read this parable as speaking concerning youth and old age so much as refering to the passage of time. The book of Isaiah clearly states, concerning the messiah, that He would grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of the dry ground. Jesus is refering to the current situation and epoch versus a situation and epoch that is to come. I.E. If they do this while I am still here what more will they do when I am gone from this place.
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
According to those inclined basis of the doctrines of faiths firm in the sand of a catholic mastercopy of scripture
I'm not real sure what you are trying to say here. First off I'm not catholic. Second, my faith is set firmly upon the Rock, not shifting sands, that is Christ Jesus. Specificaly the rock, which the builders rejected, but which has become the Chief Cornerstone. As to the point that the Jews wanted Jesus dead no matter how He would die, just so long as He did, is a given. His death was Jehovah-jireh, it was providential. It served and fulfilled both prophacy and the purpose for which He came to earth (which He stated more than once), which was to be a sin sacrafice. I do not hold that the Jews killed Jesus, quite the contrary, all the world had a part in killing Jesus, even Pilate, both Jews and gentiles(anyone who is not a Jew). A point you fail to mention, or perhaps over looked, is where the Jewish people said to Pilate; when he said to them,"His blood be upon you.", they said,"His blood be upon us and upon our children." Many take this as a condemnation of the Jewish peoples, but it is in fact part of the sacrificial Laws that the blood of the sacrifice be upon the Jewish people or else it cannot make attonement for their sins(or ours).
Your afirmation that Pilate didn't want to have anything to do with Jesus is irelevant. Pilate was involved simply by being there, but more to the point he had quite alot to do with Jesus. Pilate questioned Him, sent Him to Herod, and had Him flogged before He finaly gave in to the will of the mob that was calling for Jesus' death. Pilate could not aford to have another uprising within his jursdiction without having to face Ceasar. Pilate could not release Jesus because if he did the mob of Jewish peoples would riot or revolt against him; niether did he want to put Jesus to death because he could find no fault in Him. In the end he opted to let the mob have its way with Jesus, that peace(as far as he was concerned) would be kept, by signing the order to put Him to death. Perhaps you should read the book of Isaiah again wherein it says of the messiah that; He was pierced for our transgretions, bruised for our iniquities, by His strips we are healed, and it pleased Him to bruise Him, for surely He has borne our sins.
You seem to do alot of paraphrasing of the Bible and what it says....another reason we use the chapter and verse method, so that we can referance what you are talking about and grab the context, as well as the exact wording.
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