EvC Forum: Sodom and Lot, historicity and plausibility of Genesis 19

The question that can be asked is this: What IS the goal that God has for His creation?

Rrhain writes:

Huh? If an organism leads a happy, productive life filled with love and joy, how can you claim that it is not "normal, healthy behaviour"? Isn't that the goal?

Seeing as how I know that you love Paul,

what do you make of Rom 1:21-27?

NIV writes:

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

Rrhain writes:

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about homosexuality.

This hardly sounds like Temple prostitution,Rrhain.

Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Now, I know that you do not think that the Bible...Paul specifically...is inspired or is any more worthy of consideration than a basic Marlo Thomas Free to be you and me video.

We disagree because you think that normal and healthy are to be determined by humanity, whereas a believer would look to God to show us what normal and healthy really are.

Rrhain writes:

And there are gay humans.

Sexual attraction is not the issue. I may find someone of either sex attractive to my desires, but how can I justify fullfilling my desires as the highest and noblest form of human good?

Could it be that indeed Paul is right and that humans sought completion through worshipping images...which led to deification of the human form and an idolatry which was definitely NOT the highest and noblest form of human good?

It is a slippery slope from "platonic to erotic."

This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-07-2005 02:05 AM

This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-07-2005 02:07 AM

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