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Zhimbo

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Message 31 of 37 (63037)
10-27-2003 2:54 PM

Reply to: Message 17 by Quiz
10-25-2003 5:29 PM

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So, how do you know Joseph Smith was a prophet?

I have already answered this.

Where? In this thread? Which post?

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nator

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Message 32 of 37 (63039)
10-27-2003 3:06 PM

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10-27-2003 12:27 PM

Wow, what a powerful illustration of the unseemly, bigoted underbelly of the LDS church.

They certinly have an impressive marketing campaign, to be sure.

Thanks for the link.

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Message 33 of 37 (63041)
10-27-2003 3:11 PM

BTW, Quiz, I started a topic about macro and micro evolution in the "Evolution" forum.

See you there.

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Message 34 of 37 (63227)
10-28-2003 11:52 PM

I shall post this here in the hopes that quiz has a chance to respond to it. I realize Quiz has been busy on other pages.

Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."

Feel free to go on this Quiz.

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Message 35 of 37 (63248)
10-29-2003 2:35 AM

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10-28-2003 11:52 PM

Dial of Ahaz

Ok Sidelined,

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I shall post this here in the hopes that quiz has a chance to respond to it. I realize Quiz has been busy on other pages.
Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."

Feel free to go on this Quiz.

The dial of Ahaz was a real instrument which told time of day and I would agree that this is ment to be a metaphore because it teaches faith. I would say that the sun didn't actually go backwards 10 degrees BUT the dial of Ahaz did reflect such.
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Message 36 of 37 (63297)
10-29-2003 10:07 AM

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10-29-2003 2:35 AM

Re: Dial of Ahaz

Then it would appear you are mistaken.Here is the text leading up to and including that verse.

Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD,

Isa 38:3 And said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done [that which is] good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

Isa 38:4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying,

Isa 38:5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

Isa 38:6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.

Isa 38:7 And this [shall be] a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he hath spoken;

Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

The last sentence states clearly and unambiguously that the sun was returned ten degrees.