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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Flash: Divers in the Sea of Galilee have discovered large quantities of pig bones under silt on the bed of the lake.
Christian Church cries 'Halleluyah, this indisputably proves the Gospel accounts'. Descendants of original owners of animals to sue Christian Church. Film at 11
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
I think that deserves a 24-hour suspension, Dr. B, for completely derailing the topic.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
O.k., you`re forgiven this once.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Josephus was a gossip-monger. Look at the tattle-tales he spreads of relatively minor characters of that time. You think he would only report a few lines on the Messiah, the Anointed one, the savior expected by all Jews under Roman oppression? For all his defection to the Roman way of life, sucking up to Titus for release of his friends, he still started life as a rebel and a Jew.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Are we putting the cart before the horse? To have a Conquest, you have to have an Exodus. I think most here are in agreement there is no evidence for an Exodus.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
So, instead of starting, back-tracking, side-tracking and interposing vagrant thoughts, how about summing up your lengthy posts. Are you claiming the Conquest took place circa 1550 B.C.?
Edited by Nighttrain, : ABE a pesky 'up'
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Clear as mud, Nimbo. If you stopped this stream-of-consciousness thingo, I might be able to follow you. If you submitted this argument, I`m sure an examiner would either send you back to take the exam again, or demote you a grade. You lurch from scholar to scholar of either stance, skip back ten paces, jump onto another subject, quote Anchor or ANE, mix well and serve with a dash of humour. Try cutting your posts to 100 lines or less. I only have so many years on this planet and I don`t want to waste them deciphering.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Need a little clarification here. The terms 'cities' and 'towns' are bandied around freely without explanation. What constitutes a 'city'? Extent and thus population? A walled enclosure? Major stonework in the ruins of buildings? Finkelstein uses 'town' in the Bible Unearthed to sum up the status of Jerusalem in the 8th century.His idea of 'town' was a settlement of no more than 150 acres--population 15,000 (p3). No mention of fortifications.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
How did Egypt erect the pyramids without iron? All laid out for you in Davidovits` book--The Pyramids--An Enigma Solved. No cutting tools were found (or used) because they made use of geopolymer cements to cast blocks in situ. His company exports his re-discoveries to construction projects around the globe.
Surely these events predate Deuteronomy 33 by any chronology. What event marks the beginning of Iron I? The discovery of rust in rocks? Actually artifacts made of meteoritic iron were around long before man (the Hittites?) starting working ore in quantity. If we believe the Bible, Tubal-cain was a worker in iron (Gen 4:22).
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Please show me the evidence that these statements were forged. I have Josephus' original works, and it's all there written in chronological order.
Wow, Josephus` originals. In his own hand. Must be worth millions. The Testimonium Flavianum has long been accepted as having Christian interpolations. Much discussion (for and against) has flowed under the bridge by far greater intellects than us. If you have NEW evidence, open a thread.
You can say this for any document. The Bible as in itself can be counted an external document when supporting other documents not related to the Bible. Also, these documents are "separated" from one another. The Bible is composed of many books, and these books were simply "brought together". If the claims of Jesus are mentioned in one book, mentioning works from other books is considered as external evidence. The 'Bible' has been 'culled'. Both the OT and the NT. Naturally, if you are assembling an opus about Jesus, you include books about Jesus or His followers.
All the teachings of Jesus could not have appeared out of thin air. There has to be a man that originally introduced the teachings.
Much scholarly discussion has taken place on whether 'Jesus' (if He existed) was constructed around OT verses, or Greek writings, since both cover His sayings.
Unfortunately, what is evidence to me may not be interpreted as evidence to you. It's amazing how many different ways "evidence" can be interpreted.
Indeed. That might explain why there are so many different Christian groups.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
There are also many different atheistic/agnostic groups too. Please don't forget this. In fact, there are different kinds of groups in just about every single religion/belief imaginable.
But only one Bible. Or so they tell me.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Clark Kent isn`t a real person? Geez, between you and Jar, I`ll have no illusions left.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Welcome, MFE. Come clean. You`re actually a skeptic playing DA, aren`t you? A satire? Dumping a load on the principle something might make it through? Most of this falls into our PRATT corner (see archives). Narrow it to one at a time and we can educate you.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4022 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
You selected one topic yet?
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