Genesis 1:1-3

Buzz, interesting idea, but can we not also say that along with energy and matter, God also created and creates time. In other words, to ask what God was doing before the world was created suggests that God, like us, is limited as temporal being.I hate to appeal to TV, but this idea can be illustrated by the people that live in the wormhole in Deep Space Nine. They are not temporal beings in the sense they do not exist only in linear time, but at all points of time equally. Now, of course, they are mere science fiction fantasy, but if you've watched the show, you can at least see that it is possible to imagine and even depict existence that is not linearly temporal.It seems to me your idea falls down a little on that point. Time itself has a beginning, and that beginning is the word of God (note where Jesus says "I am the beginning"). So the beginning and reality is not just a thing. It is a Person.

I think He is more specifically stating the word of God is the beginning and end of all things; that He as the Word, is what creates or originates all things, which was not a radically novel idea, but the idea that the Word is also the end of all things is perhaps a bit of a revelation, even for people today.This message has been edited by randman, 11-14-2005 01:06 AM

The "or originates" was my attempt to explain it either way. God is One so I think it's deeper than what this thread can get into.My point is the same whether by or through or whatever. The idea is the beginning is the Word who is Jesus Christ, and so the End. All things come into being by the Word, and this is a little deep, but all things have at their root, the Word, imo.Think of it this way. If you said, Joe Wilson be, and Joe Wilson was, then the root of Joe Wilson is God's word "Joe Wilson" not that Joe Wilson himself is the word of God in the sense of being the Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, hung on a Cross, etc,....but the root identity of Joe are the words from God "Joe Wilson" and in that place the word of God and Joe Wilson are one, and really when it is all boiled away, not only will the beginning of Joe Wilson be that Light that lights every man that comes into the world, but the end will one day be that same Light also. He is the All in all.Btw, that doesn't mean hell isn't real, but maybe we are getting off-topic here.