Philosophical ramblings on the Adam & Eve Parable

Hello Parasomnium, I don't answer for al Creationists. But it is ery significant that the woman was "built" from Adam's rib. This was a glimps into God's heart concerning Himself and His Bride the city New Jerusalem.Only what came out of Adam could return to Adam. The one became two and then the two became one again. The wife matched Adam in life and in nature. All the other lives were dismissed as not of Adam's life and nature.The putting of Adam to sleep was a type of Christ's death on the cross to accomplish salvation.As the rib came out from Adam's side also blood and water flowed out of the side of Christ. When He died the soldier pierced His side and blood and water flowed out.The blood was for redemption from sin. The water signified that He released the divine life that He embodied. The redemption in His blood and this imparting of the life which He embodied produces the new testament church. The believers in Christ are redeemed by His blood and regenerated by His life - that is born of God.Then entity of the church which was produced from Christ's death and resurrection must also be "built" up into a corporate dwelling place of God in man.Through the transformation of growth in the divine life and the building up together in the divine love the church is one day presented to Christ without any such spot or wrinkle from the fall of man. She is to match Christ and be the counter part of Christ.The New Jerusalem is the enlarged Wife and Bride constituted with both the Old Testament saints and the New Testament saints. And the Bible closes with this city of all of God's redeemed people comiong down from God out of heaven prepared as His Wife and Bride. The One became two. And then the two became one.The building of a wife for Adam out of the rib of Adam is a window into the whole plan of God. In His salvation a collective and corporate entity is built up which matches Christ in life and in nature to be His eternal counterpart.It is a very profound thing that you have touched on. Your other remarks seem to be somewhat in jest. I may be wrong. But the buioding of Eve from the rib of Adam has profound significance to the entire Bible.

Robinrohan, It was an extremly simple system. "Be careful what you eat."That is they were to be careful what they brought into them. Only one thing they were not to bring into them. That was the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.God did not have to instruct them how to worship or how to treat each other. He did not have to give them laws on relationships. They were not even told how to worship God.The only thing they were instructed on was what not to take into them as food. And in that one thing they disobeyed. And they were corrupted and polluted as a result. The were joined to Satan. They were Satanified.The central food which they were suppose to take was of the tree that was in the middle of the garden. That was the tree of life. God desired to dispense into Adam and Eve His divine and uncreated eternal life.Instead of the man being "Godified" he was "Satanified."Instead of being infused with God's divine nature they were corrupted with the Satanic nature. Instead of them being Deified they became Devilified. They became the expression of Satan living in man a life of rejection to God's holiness, righteousness, and glory.What seemed to be a promise of independence actually brought them into bondage to a terrible task master of death - the one who has the might of death, the Devil (Hebrews 2:14)

NWR, I respectfully disagree strongly.I am abbreviating what has had volumes about it writing. This is a discussion board. I can't write a book or a chapter. I have to cut some very developed and profound ideas down to a few significant abbreviated lines.This may look to you like I am improvising things out of my head. Now you can disagree with what I wrote. But please don't infer that I am improvising things on the fly.I am reducing to a few comments things of which theologians have extensively developed. You're dealing here with God's word. It is exceedingly profound often. I'll read it again to see why you say this. But as I remember the poster basically asked about Eve being made from Adam's rib and not from the mud as Adam was made.Whatever else the poster said, I honed in on this aspect of the post. It is significant in the extreme that Eve came OUT of Adam. And on that point I can't back down one inch. Sorry.If I missed the point of the poster's comments - my apologies to the poster. This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 08:40 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 08:40 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 08:45 PM

NWR,Is the title of the post in question not "Theology Questions ...?"Now, if I am making my response up on the fly could you please tell me what you think about the following New Testament passage: Could you comment on the church being Christ's Body and the references to Genesis? What theological significance do you see if any in Paul's parellel of marriage and Christ's having a wife whom He died for and nourishes as His own body?Do you still think I concocted up some things on the fly about Eve being built from the rib of Adam and brought to him as his own bone and flesh to match him?Lastly, I wonder if you have revelation from the Holy Spirit on any of these matters.This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:00 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:01 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:01 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:02 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:03 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:04 PM

NWR, Then my reply was not a chat to the posting party but a reply for discussion to those participating in the general discussion.Besides, the whole Discussion is on "Philsophical Ramblings," is it not? And I know you won't deny me that I am doing THAT! You don't think that that Ephesian passage has anything to do with the Adam and Eve story ???But he quotes the story. How could it not have anything to do with it?Also the whole book of Ephesians is on God's eternal purpose (1:11; 1:9; 3:11).And the first husband and wife were Adam and his wife.And the references to the church being the Body of the bridegroom and Savior Christ are clear parellels to the story of Adam and Eve.Granted, some of the things I originally wrote are not found developed in the Ephesian passage. But it is based on the theme of the first couple.I also would encurage you to read the first two chapters of the Bible and compare them with the last two chapters of the Bible - Genesis 1,2 with Revelation 21,22. See how many parellel mentioning of symbols you can detect.This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:32 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-13-2005 09:33 PM

NWR,I'm here. I'm posting. I'm participating. And you can whine all you want that I shouldn't be here. But I'm here.So stop hinting that I should go away.And if you can't see the direct quotation of Paul to Genesis then you must have eyes to see but see not. I said he quoted the story.This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-14-2005 12:02 AM

To much bold face? I'll think about it.And sorry if you feel that you never had anything worth telling anybody.

Sorry,I was looking for a public discussion where I could participate in some Philosophical Ramblings on the Adam and Eve Parable.Wrong Discussion apparently.

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Parasomnium,I have erased that entry prior to yours. I accept your apology. I in turn ask for your forgiveness for flippant remarks.I admit that I did not read through the entire exchanges. And I also just learned about the "General Reply" which may have been more appropriate.This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-17-2005 06:46 AM

Parasomniun,Well, although this seems to be the "Bible Study" section, for your sake I'll soft peddle interpretation and perhaps have a science or simply liturary question or two for you.A liturary question about this:"To the woman He said,
I will greatly multiply your pain in your childbearing;
In pain you will bring forth children. "Well, one thing strikes me as very curious about Genesis 3. If it was written by a male it seems terribly interesting that he would include a discription of the "crisis" of feminine child birth. I mean, your typical male chauvinist shouldn't have cared to mention this among basic universal things.Now this is a writing about basic things of human existence. The specific space given to the trauma of pregnancy makes me think the mind behind the writing was very sensative to feminine childbearing matters to include its mention among the genesis of human experiences.What do you think?This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-17-2005 12:36 PMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-17-2005 12:37 PM

AAAAh! You caught me!

One the things that has always fascinated me about the Bible is that there is something in it for everyone to not like.I think the person does not exist on earth who likes everything written in the Bible without one exception.That goes for rich or poor, male or female, Jew or Gentile, east or west, black or white.Somewhere in the Bible there's a passage somebody wishes was not there.

Yep, and there's those types too, who can read 66 books of the Bible and see nothing worthwhile. " ... yet to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure..."This message has been edited by jaywill, 12-19-2005 02:08 AMThis message has been edited by jaywill, 12-19-2005 02:08 AM

Nighttrain, I like that. Where did you read it?