Manna from Heaven. What the Grossness? (Ex. 16)

I totally disagree with you.First of all Jesus Himself gave a long discourse telling us that He was the antitype of the manna.Now you may not like John's gospel and you may want to ignore Jesus. Go ahead. But He's an authority on the matter.He knew something about the will of God, the plan of God, the salvation of God. I think you ignore His input at your own disadvantage.Another thing, not only the manna was a type of Christ but even the entire good land of Canaan was a type of Christ.So the discontinueing of the manna once they got out of the wilderness is not at all a discontinuing of types of Christ. It is only that that symbol comes to a close and others come to the forefront.The entire good land of Canaan was a type of Christ as the all inclusive supply to God's people. He is our good land. The good land of Canaan is probably the largest type of Christ in the Bible.So while these things had real historical significances to the Jews they also pointed to Christ.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

We don't know. It says a Pot. The most likely type would be clay.The point is, whoever wrote Hebrews was mixing stuff up, a piece from here, a piece from there, and sew them all together with new cloth and add some embellishment as pointed out back in Message 37.However, the Manna mentioned in Exodus and Numbers and Joshua still has NOTHING to do with Jesus and is still just a plot device to talk about other things that were important.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

No jay, he did not. Sorry but if you read that it does NOT say what you claim.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

Nope. You're blind. You're blinded and blind. That's all.

LOLOkay, although that is unimportant, irrelevant and not much of a response.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

IMHO, it reflects sparks of the Torah, as seen by different traditions and compulsions. The same occured with Islam. All 3 belief systems would not have emerged w/o the Torah, otherwise all the compulsions which occured would have no reason to occur, and there would be no logic to millions of christians fussing over one human's death: 1.1M other Jews also sacrificed themselves in the same spacetime, in a manner far more powerfully than did Jesus - but a mysterious compulsion occured, even one which defied all logic.It is evident that christians are not stupid, being the world's most advanced and powerful religious group - there was no logical reason to be impressed with JC - yet they will give their lives for this belief. What does it mean?

In the context of this topic? Your post means absolutely nothing.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

It responds to what is the common denominator between the religions, and if manna has anything to do with the NT. It does not, however we have a religious group believing it does - which reason will fall elsewhere.

The problem is not Christians forcing irrelevent New Testament concepts on the Old Testament. That is not the problem here.The problem has to do with revelation. Some people lack revelation from God. Some of them have instead convinced themselves that there is no overall divine Mind behind the composition of the 66 books of the Bible. That has not been revealed to them. Sometimes they do not want to believe it because there are things which they want to isolate and trivialize.I count these people as trying to kill a living thing. They want to "divide and conquer" so to speak the plenary and living revelation of the Bible. So they insist that the parts are totally unrelated. By chopping up the beast they hope to kill it. By dismembering the beast the hope to rob it if its life and vitality.So Genesis has nothing to do with Revelation. Exodus has nothing to do with John, for these people. They count expositons linking the sigificances of the two or more books to be "shoehorning". If they were not so padlocked in their thinking it would not seem as "shoehorning."I am not saying ANY frivolous connection between a New Testament book and an Old should be given serious attention. But with the manna of Exodus 16 it is quite clear that Christ drew the connection. He said He was the reality of that type of the bread of God from heaven. Moses also called it bread, incidently.Some of you, you don't WANT Christ. So a rational you depend on is to slice and dice the Bible up so that the Old Testament has nothing to do with Christ in the New Testament. The goal is to avoid having to take Christ seriously.The same God who breathed out the Hebrew Bible is the same God who came incarnated in Jesus Christ and breathed out the New Testament. In fact in the Old Testament He promised that there would BE a new covenant.Now, for the others who are a little more opened up in heart and mind, the other item in the ark, the budding rod of Aaron ALSO is a type of Christ in resurrection and authority. And in the next post I will elaborate on it to strengthen the interpetation that the manna is a pointer to Christ.This post is not for those who cling to chopping up the Bible in order to "divide and conquer" the beast, denying a unifying theme and a Divine unifying mind behind this marvelous book, the Bible.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Jesus drawing a connection after the fact has little to do with the topic. Jesus also compared himself to a vine, but that doesn't mean that every Biblical reference to a vine is a reference to Him, or that every Biblical reference to a gardener is a reference to His Father.The topic is about the substance "manna" and what it meant in the Old Testament. It's not an excuse to sermonize or to demonize everybody who disagrees with you.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

While I respect all sincere beliefs, and christian belief is 100% sincere about Jesus, I doubt that prophesy works retrospectively, or by the end source vindicating a concluded premise. Islam does the same ['Moses is a Muslim]. The OT does not do that because it has no precedent - but if it did do so, I'd seriously question it.

That's the only part of your post that I understood - and I think it agrees with me.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

About the Manna, the text says it was like nothing the people saw before, its closest description was alligned with white and coriandar or parsely. The amazing part here, IMHO, is the exquisite description how it landed from atop: slowly so it could be plucked from the air; a hoary mistlike covering on top [to keep it clean], and a cover at its bottom [as a serving plate] - talk about 5-star quisine. This description throws a spanner in the works when one sees this as just myth, legend and imagination.There is oral law commentary on this, that the manna tasted like anything one wanted it to. Still, it was not the real thing, and the people did get fed up of it - complaining how they missed the fleshpots of Egypt. The laws of nature were not stopped, outside of the manna, and the nature of man displayed itself.

If that description isn't just your imagination, please quote book, chapter and verse.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

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If that description isn't just your imagination, please quote book, chapter and verse.

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My imagination is good, but not this good:

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Ex 15/ 13 And it came to pass at even, that the quails came up, and covered the camp; and in the morning there was a layer of dew round about the camp. 14 And when the layer of dew was gone up, behold upon the face of the wilderness a fine, scale-like thing, fine as the hoar-frost on the ground. 15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another: 'What is it?'--for they knew not what it was. And Moses said unto them: 'It is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

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