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Brian

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Message 10 of 39 (238568)
08-30-2005 11:31 AM

Here it is..

We need the search function enabled again, it is si useful, but here is the thread with the proof that Jesus was no messiah, the bloodline is in post one.

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Message 20 of 39 (238845)
08-31-2005 6:02 AM

Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
08-12-2005 6:05 PM

Re: Some answers to chew on...

Hi Phat,

The problem with Joseph marrying into Mary's bloodline is that the prophecy was that the Messiah would be descended through the bloodline of Solomon, this manipulation of the texts removes that bloodline as Mary is said to be descended from Nathan. I honestly do not believe that this was intended to be Mary's geneology at all.

What is this 'non-royal' bloodline stuff?

Brian.

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Message 28 of 39 (239874)
09-02-2005 6:22 AM

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08-31-2005 6:24 AM

Re: Some answers to chew on...

I don't know if I trust these guys.

I am not sure I know what guys you mean. Do you mean the guys that see no Davidic bloodline in Jesus’ genealogy?

Its kinda like when the Pharisees told Jesus that it was wrong to heal on the Sabbath. Technically they were right. Practically, they were wrong.

Why were they practically wrong? The Sabbath is still observed by Jews who view it differently from Christians. Many Jews won’t do anything resembling work on a Saturday, some even set timers on cookers and lights so they don’t have to ‘work’ on the Sabbath.

It all boils down to what Jesus asked Peter: Who do YOU say that I am?

I don’t see why. I think it all boils down to Christians manipulating the Old Testament to try and make Jesus into something he clearly wasn’t.

Obviously, some people who study various disciplines can rightly and technically conclude that Jesus may have been an exageration, a compiled legend, and/or a misguided rabbi.

I’m in the first camp.

Belief is faith. For some, Jesus becomes alive...more than a historical figure, He becomes alive to them.

But, why should this have any bearing on the way they view the Bible? If Jesus is alive for you and is your saviour then that’s great, however, it doesn’t mean that the Bible is true about anything.

Is belief entirely subjective or is it based on an encounter with an objective reality?

Well, I have yet to meet anyone who became a Christian before they had ever heard of Jesus.

Brian.

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Message 31 of 39 (240574)
09-05-2005 12:50 PM

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09-05-2005 11:56 AM

Re: Some answers to chew on...

I was musing about Phat's idea of objective reality. IMO, it would have more credibility if someone who had never heard of Jesus emerged from a sparsely inhabited area and declared that Jesus was their (there's that word again

)saviour.

If there is an objective reality that is God, I really do not see how we can go about proving that.

Brian.

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Message 32 of 39 (240580)
09-05-2005 12:57 PM

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08-30-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Some answers to chew on...

Hi Phat,

Just a small question, no big deal really, but can you tell me why you put theologian in inverted commas?

Is it purely to do with your personal viewpoint?

Remember, I am not making an issue of this, just curious.

Brian.

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Message 34 of 39 (240587)
09-05-2005 1:08 PM

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09-05-2005 1:05 PM

Re: Objective subjective??????

I don't see how anything involving Faith can ever be objective.

They may not view it as faith.

Anyway, it'll keep for another thread.

Brian.

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Message 36 of 39 (247643)
09-30-2005 10:48 AM

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09-30-2005 9:59 AM

Re: Some answers to chew on...

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