General Theory of Evolution

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Can you come up with an acceptable theory of creationism that would address everything that would be accepted by the scientific world?"
--I'm at a loss as to what it is you are trying to pin-point in your search for a acceptable 'theory of creationism'. Could you be more specific? What topic of study and specific phenomena do you need a theoretical explanation for?

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--Mabye a new thread should be created for this query.

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She wants something more than "Puff, God did it."

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"She wants something more than "Puff, God did it."
--And I'd like to answer something reasonable rather than write an encyclopedia on such an enormously vague question. See my last post for what I'm looking for.

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What was "vague" about the question? All you have to do is say is how creationism works.

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Originally posted by Syamsu:
Creationism works like "Creatio ex nihilo" creation from nothing. I think the closest you can come to formulating how creation works, is to consider a decision / choice a creation event. A choice as per definition has no causes (nihilo) that force a particular outcome, but it has identities choosing an outcome. The work of creationism is then to find the decisive points in time at which man and the main kinds of organisms were in effect chosen to be, when it became a relative certainty there would be people. The evolution/formation of mankind largely being a certain aftereffect in relation to those few moments, like a rock falling to earth.

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regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Meaningless in this context since it is not very scientific.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-01-2002]

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Originally posted by Brad McFall:
meaning is full-- entropy is not irreversibility. The russian Gladyshev knew this and added an extra entropy term to Gibbs' formalism, whether logical or not I understood the post so what is meaning does not mean "owning" up to it. If I know that there are aliens on mars and this is not a TV show I can REFER without the connotation being the denotation though we know even without the equations that it is the other way around. think twice before you use any implicable double c/e jepordy the standard needs to be higher bar than a Georgia politcian.

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Now, this is a prime example of something which is totally meaningless.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:

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--Careful with your attitude, it would not be a complement if I confused you with nos.

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Flattery will get you nowhere.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"What was "vague" about the question? All you have to do is say is how creationism works. "
--The methodology of creationism? Since you have asked this on an individual level, I simply see that, IMO, creationism implies theism. There are no more details other than that. If you'd like to go more in depth and see what I think about a specific finding and what it indicates about the history of the earth, life, solar system, etc. Delve deeper.

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In other words "Puff, god did it!"

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Flattery will get you nowhere."
--Nowhere? well at least that is a step further from where your going... Respect is one element that will get you a serious and credible conversation.

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Respect is earned not demanded. I only have to respect your right to state your opinions and beliefs, I don't have to respect the opinion or belief itself. I wouldn't demand that you be banned for stating them.[This message has been edited by nos482, 10-02-2002]

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"In other words "Puff, god did it!"
--The only place your going to get anything of that sort is the origin of the universe...but of course you would say that 'puff' I dunno how it happened but it still went 'puff'. Ask serious questions, your likely to get serious answers. Ask sarcastic questions, your likely to get sarcastic answers.

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As I've said before, it is better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"Respect is earned not demanded."
--Respect is 'required' for you to have any take in formal, credible discussion with me.

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You don't have any respect for my intelligence if you expect me to accept creationism as anything other than religiously inspired pseudo-science. So how do you expect me to have any respect for you?

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"As I've said before, it is better to be a smartass than a dumbass."
--You are being both.. Do you listen to any of your fellows in this forum? They don't enjoy your attitude either.. Good explanation for why you don't get anywhere in your 'debates'.

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And what, you're just an ass?It is only one of them and he doesn't count. And I get what I want out of my debates.

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--What you are getting is not positive response..so unless you have some odd mental inversion with the concept, then I'd say your being here is not appealing.This was never a popularity contest.--You have yet to show that you are even capable of carrying on a discussion of any set of data.Why bother, you won't accept any valid science, only your pseudo-science.--I don't know why I put up with you, I guess I just feel a hint of sympothy for the intellectually impaired.

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It's called self-pity, in your case. You shouldn't project.

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--'Creationism' isn't even a topic of debate in science, it has nothing to do with science! I have not made this assertion, this again shows your lack in knowledge for what you are dealing with when you struggle discussion with me.Adding god to the equation is the same as speaking of Creationism.