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zephyr
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Message 147 of 262 (54354)
09-07-2003 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by dillan
09-07-2003 1:27 PM


Re: Replies...
First, this all comes down to argument by definition, no matter how else it's portrayed. That's why every attempt at proving anything through information science involves so many complex definitions of terms, accompanied by assertions that they apply to specific things like DNA. I've never found the connections convincing.
Second, even without the logical fallacies inherent in these arguments, they can never point to design by any particular being. Every argument for intelligent design leads us directly outside of our understanding, where we are free to manufacture explanations at will. That's why methodological naturalism makes sense in science. It's the only way you have a chance of making any useful conclusions.

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zephyr
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Message 239 of 262 (60021)
10-07-2003 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Fred Williams
10-07-2003 8:10 PM


Re: Engineering special: take whatever it has at that point.
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You rely/trust an internet hack for your information? I perused his page and found what I expected, the usual poor scholarship nonsense full of unsubstantiated, hazy innuendo from a Talk.Origins wacko. I have met Gary Parker, and I trust his version, some of which you’ll find here:
Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research
The description of his "pre-conversion" attitude is exactly what I would write if I were a creationist looking to foster a condescending, pitying attitude among fellow creationists toward those poor, deceived evolutionists. What it does not resemble, in the slightest, is the actual beliefs of anyone I have ever known, spoken to, or read the writings of, who is convinced of the validity of the theory of evolution. As many do, he focuses on the supposed emotional and religious attachment that evos have to the theory, and glosses over the material objections - a supposed preponderance of problems that turned him away from evolution, while apparently causing no problems for all his classmates. As I see it, peer pressure after his conversion was the primary factor in his change of heart regarding the origins of life.
I'm not saying that none of this story happened as Parker tells it. However, it is without a doubt heavily embellished for the sake of his audience, and flavored more as a tale of comfort for the faithful than an instructive catalog of events as they occurred.

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