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Ooook!
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Message 46 of 56 (117828)
06-23-2004 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by XenoGenisis
06-23-2004 6:08 AM


Regarding your call for a liitle fossil of a simple cell with a little label on it saying "LUCA" :
To repeat an age old scientific mantra: Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack!
Why does it need to fossilise to be proof anyway? What about the evidence gleaned from ribosomal RNA and the common genetic code which point to a common ancestor?
edit: I messed up ancient scientific mantra....bum!
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Ooook!
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Message 56 of 56 (118202)
06-24-2004 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by XenoGenisis
06-23-2004 7:39 AM


Xenogenesis,
Maybe it wasn't the most appropriate statement, considering there is evidence for a common ancestor. I'll get to that in a minute but first let's have a look at what you are saying:
Paraphrasing, you say: "There is no [fossil] evidence for a common ancestor, and therefore there was no common ancestor. On top of this, because no common ancestor has been found the entire theory of evolution falls down!" All of these conclusions are based on a percieved lack of evidence.
Which leads me onto the molecular evidence. I apologise in advance if you are familar with this, and it is a bit simplified, but I don't know your level of knowledge so I've tried to keep it basic:
It all revolves around the way that DNA codes for proteins (known as translation), its' a bit long-winded for a short(ish) post, but basically three letters code for each amino acid in a protein sequence. This is the same code for all life. There are a few minor variations, but essentially if you take the human sequence for insulin and put it into an E. coli you will get the same protein produced. I repeat, this is common for all life!
The central player in translation (ie where it all happens) is called the ribosome. This is a complex of protein and RNA, and is of course common to all life. By comparing the sequence of the RNA component of the ribosome (ribosomal RNA [rRNA]) for all of the organisms you know, you can't escape the conclusion that they all derived from a common ancestor. It also throws a few extra pieces of information: like the fact that Archea are closer related to Eukaryotes than Eubacteria are, and that the mitochondria (that are in all Eukaryotes) are closely related to a subsection of the bacterial domain.
Hope this is clear enough, and I'm sure you have lots to say about it.

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