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Author Topic:   What mutations are needed for a particular trait (e.g. wings) to arise?
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Message 79 of 111 (347074)
09-06-2006 6:39 PM
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09-06-2006 6:31 PM


Re: Lets get the list then...
skepticfaith writes:

I am hoping there would be more examples along this line..

How many elephants have to sit on your couch before you recognize that elephants exist?


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Message 81 of 111 (347305)
09-07-2006 2:54 PM
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Re: Ha ha.
skepticfaith writes:

I have seen elephants in zoos - I don't need them on my couch ....

I'm guessing that that's supposed to be a joke, because of the subtitle.
(A smilie would be more explicit. :) )

On the off-chance that it's an attempt at sarcasm:

You asked for an example and when you were given an example you asked for more examples.
My question is: how many examples do you need before you concede that there are examples?

Do you think you can keep the other team from scoring if you move the goalposts fast enough?


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Message 91 of 111 (347396)
09-07-2006 10:09 PM
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09-07-2006 9:56 PM


Re: Is it possible mathematically?
Someone who cares writes:

First of all, is it mathematically possible for wings to arrive from random mutations? NO!

You know how it works in math class: show your work or you get ZERO.


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Message 94 of 111 (347411)
09-07-2006 10:57 PM
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Re: Is it possible mathematically?
Someone who cares writes:

And, genetics won't permit it. Show me how it can!

No no no no. You made the claim that it is "mathematically impossible for wings to arrive from random mutations". Show us the math and then we'll discuss it.

I have yet to see proof for macroevolution, proof that is directly related to macroevolution.

Science isn't about "proof".

So far, you're still batting zero.


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Message 98 of 111 (347435)
09-07-2006 11:27 PM
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09-07-2006 11:18 PM


Re: Is it possible mathematically?
Somebody who cares writes:

You should see that in nature all around you, no mutations have made wings evolve.

That ain't mathematics. You said it was mathematically impossible. Either show your calculations or admit that all you have is empty rhetoric.

These mutations are 99.9% harmful, meaning they destroy, mix up, disorganize, etc. Wings cannot come about by this destructive, random process.

What about the remaining 0.1% ?

I don't work for 99.9% of the companies in the world. Does that mean I don't work at all?


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Message 101 of 111 (347444)
09-07-2006 11:49 PM
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09-07-2006 11:38 PM


Re: Is it possible mathematically?
Someone who cares writes:

99.9% sounds like a good enough mathematical impossibility.

:laugh: So you admit you don't know anything about mathematics.

You know what I think personally? I think they only left that 0.1% or less....

I don't care what you think personally.

Answer the question: If I don't work for 99.999% of the companies in the world, does that make it impossible for me to work for one of the other 0.001% ?


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Message 105 of 111 (347462)
09-08-2006 12:39 AM
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09-08-2006 12:32 AM


Re: Is it possible mathematically?
Someone who cares writes:

What I'm saying is that I believe it's 100% harmful mutations. And unless you can prove me wrong, that's how it's going to be for me.

Your beliefs don't count one single solitary iota here. This is a science forum.

You have tacitly admitted that you can't answer a simple mathematical question, so please stop wasting our time with your beliefs.


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