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Author Topic:   Egg burier animals question
Granny Magda
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Message 24 of 29 (439291)
12-08-2007 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by MartinV
12-07-2007 12:57 AM


Re: No, No Martin
Hi MartinV,
You ask;
MartinV writes:
Do you think there was a time M.maleo ancestors nested and hatched their eggs like other birds and only their descendants (more recent M.maleo ancestors) started burrying their eggs?
Well, I suppose that depends what you mean by other birds. Most birds are arboreal nesters and I cannot imagine that any megapode ever did that. They may well have nested on the ground, in a very simple nest, much like thousands of other bird species. At this remove we can only speculate (short of digging up half of Sulawesi looking for nest fossils) but there seem to be two possibilities; either the megapodes and their ancestors have always done this, right back to their Archosaur ancestors, or the behaviour re-emerged at some point, from a previously switched-off gene or a novel mutation. My bet is that the behaviour was always present. Maybe it got switched off/switched back on at some point, but I think the novel mutation sounds a bit much of a coincidence.
Fun to speculate, but it doesn't really prove anything.

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Granny Magda
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Message 26 of 29 (439380)
12-08-2007 3:26 PM
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12-08-2007 10:29 AM


Re: No, No Martin
MartinV writes:
Granny writes:
My bet is that the behaviour was always present.
OK. It contradicts clearly other theories proposed here.
I'm not sure that it does, maybe I should make myself more clear. By "always present" (an admittedly clumsy phrase) I mean that the behaviour was probably already available to the ancestors of the maleo. It may or may not have been expressed in any given intermediate species. Just speculation really, based on its similarity to the behaviour of other related critters. Croc's buried their eggs (still do), as did some dinosaurs (plenty of dinosaur nests have been found) so it seems reasonable to speculate that some birds might have inherited this behaviour, rather than the maleo displaying convergent evolution. Either way, it is not a problem for the ToE.

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