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Author Topic:   Is The Fossil Record an indication of Evolution?
Asgara
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Message 20 of 88 (69949)
11-29-2003 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Sonic
11-29-2003 8:24 PM


Can I ask where the "half working organs" idea came from???
Why would organs that didn't work be selected for? All surviving changes would be fulling working organs, just incrementally different from prior ones. It's like the word game where you change just one letter at a time. get becomes set - sat - mat - map - may -say. All are perfectly good words.
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"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Asgara
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Message 23 of 88 (69954)
11-29-2003 9:08 PM
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11-29-2003 8:45 PM


I agree that natural selection would probably remove organisms with "half-formed organs". Would you have survived if you were born with half a heart? That is NOT what the TOE predicts, rather small, incremental changes that still leave a fully functioning organ but one that may be better able to do its job in some way. Generations of small changes CAN add up to large changes.
I don't see that your link was to a non-biased site. It makes many false statements and strawman arguments. It also used quotes by SJ Gould. He is discussing punk-eek, punctuated equilibrium. He never meant his theory as an over-throw of evolution. It is more of a way of describing how changes can happen "relatively" quickly given a large change in environment and selective pressure. One of the biologist can explain this better than I can, and hopefully correct my errors.
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"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Asgara
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Message 32 of 88 (69973)
11-29-2003 9:47 PM
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11-29-2003 9:36 PM


Here is a site with intermediate organisms. This shows the jaw to ear bone transition.
http://daphne.palomar.edu/...nter/reptile%20to%20mammals.htm
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