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Message 231 of 248 (455216)
02-11-2008 1:42 PM

Reply to: Message 230 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 1:18 PM

Re: patterns

The fact we're talking about such things is proof we're above (at least intellectually) everything that exists. Also the fact we talk, reason, use logic, derive conclusions, discover the world, use physics, chemistry etc...are pretty good proof of our superiority and dominion over the earth.

None of that makes us the end point of evolution. We could evolve further, no?

All evolution "cares" about is your ability to pass on your genetic information.

Don't you think? or maybe you'd rather be a fish or a bird of some kind? which is not bad in itself, but you will miss what makes life exciting.

You have no way of knowing that.

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Message 232 of 248 (455217)
02-11-2008 1:46 PM

Reply to: Message 228 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 12:56 PM

Re: patterns

My main point about the Coelacanth (Page not found (404 Error)- Canadian Museum of Nature) is that after millions of years why hasn't the population completely changed, if mutations are expected to occur in any individuals at anytime?

Populations experience stasis when ther is little to no pressure for them to change, like when they fit a niche almost perfectly.

Who or what is above humans right now?

Squid and bacteria, to name two.

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Message 239 of 248 (455234)
02-11-2008 3:02 PM

Reply to: Message 234 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 2:10 PM

Re: patterns

As far as I know, they don't have the power to destroy the earth (Nuclear bomb).

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China!? hint

Your claim in Message 228 was:

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About humans, I guess we can say we are the ending point of evolution. Who or what is above humans right now? nothing IMO.

If I am to follow what you are saying... You're saying that humans are at the top because we can destroy the earth!?

Why THAT arbitrary definition?

Are you sure that you're not just making shit up?

Why would you think we are not at the pinnacle of the living world?

I do think that we are. But that is because of our relationship with god, not because of our evolutionary position. Our evolutionary position is not at the pinnacle.

Squid are more "highly evolved" than humans. Bacteria outnumber us. Whatever arbitrary defintion of the pinncale you want to make up really has no say.

I mean it's obvious (to me), that we have the world for ourselves.

Maybe you haven't seen everything yet and you are missing the things that make it not so obvious

Humans are the only ones to ponder about their fate, origins, and everything that we ponder about.

You have no way of knowing that.

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