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Message 47 of 65 (138323)
08-30-2004 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by coffee_addict
08-30-2004 7:48 PM


Fundies in Space
Darth Mal writes:
What if we find life existing on at least one other world? It doesn't have to be intelligent life. It could be single celled organisms. Will there be any problem between the new finding and bible fundyism?
Probably with many of them. I am not surprised by anything anymore. My Faith never wavers!

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Message 48 of 65 (138763)
09-01-2004 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by DC85
05-21-2004 8:37 AM


Reactions...synopsis
Charles Munroe writes:
Modern science is making remarkable progress in may areas. The question is what would be the reaction of the religious community if any of the following were to happen :
OK...I will speak as one of the "religious" community that you mention. Note, however, that you did not specifically say "creationists". I believe that God created the Universe, but I am not a strict creationist like Ken Hamm.
1) Contact was made with an extraterrestial civilization? Great. I would be as cautious with them as you would be about relating to any outside influence in your life. I would be nice to them, however.
2) A life form was discovered on Mars?== So what? It would be basic. All life STILL originates with God.
crashfrog writes:
They'd claim that was proof that it took intelligence to create life.
Yep.
berberry writes:
They'd find some obscure passage, re-interpret it and say that the bible has told us about this all along, we just weren't listening.==
The only one that comes to mind that I have heard about was this one:
2 Thess 2:9-10= The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
And I could see the strict religious extremists run with this one if a U.F.O. or aliens were discovered. Many Christians believe that all U.F.O. sightings are demonic manifestations. While this sounds intellectually naive, I would ask why it is so easy to accept a U.F.O. and so hard to accept a "spiritual reality"?
3) Science is able to create a crude form of life in the laboratory?== You mean, recreate or replicate. Science cannot even cure the common cold!
4) Medical science discovers a means of extending hman life
indefinitely?== And? If one lives 20 years or 200, one still needs to know what they believe and what they are here for.
Ned writes:
Disproving evolution does not prove God in anyway. It isn't possible to prove or disprove God.
Good point, Ned. I agree.
Milagros writes:
Crash you made an interesting point, "If you want God to be included in a scientific theory, then you're going to have to prove that God exists and is avaliable to scientific examination." I think that's a fair position because it insinuates that if this God does exist he lies beyond any scientific examination because "IF" you want God to be included THEN you have to prove He exists and is available to scientific examination.
I think that this can be done on an individual level, as I have done for myself, yet hardly on a societal level. Its like trying to prove love. Love, though it exists, cannot really be proven.
DC85 writes:
Don't you think its a little arrogant especially after they are discover to still think you are the center of the universe and that Human kind is the most perfect life?
No, I think that it is merely absolutist to believe that our God is the center of the Universe..not at all arrogant...somewhat humbling, actually.God is not a product of human imagination. We are His product. So would be the aliens.

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Message 55 of 65 (138873)
09-01-2004 4:01 PM
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09-01-2004 3:40 PM


Linguistics and Explanations
Err..Brad, I would agree with jar. Pretend as if you were addressing a room of children, and break the idea down into oreo size bits...then we can chomp on it.

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Message 57 of 65 (139079)
09-02-2004 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by contracycle
09-02-2004 4:57 AM


E.T.'s Phone Bill: $$$$$$$$$$$$
If an Alien group were contacted and communication and information exchange established, who would get to talk to them? Perhaps a Reality T.V. show?

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Message 59 of 65 (139203)
09-02-2004 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Brad McFall
09-02-2004 12:59 PM


Re: Linguistics and Explanations
OK, Brad. Lets back up a bit. Here is Jars original post that you responded to:
jar writes:
I think there is a high probability that we will find life in the solar system. I think it is near certain that we will someday find life outside our solar system. The really interesting thing will be finding out if it is based on the same underlying rules as life here.
So far we have been limited because there is only one form of life to study. But suppose we find life based on a whole new set of rules, maybe lefthanded, or based on something other than carbon, or showing something entirely different than our twofold forms? Suppose instead of a two part DNA there is some other basic structure? Now that would be interesting.
My personal belief is that so far, all of the basic laws we have been able to descern seem to be universal. Gravity behaves about the same anywhere if the conditions are the same. Light seems to be the same everywhere. Mass and particles seem to behave the same under the same conditions everywhere. So I expect that we will find that the same basic underlying rules for life will also be the same everywhere. But it sure would be great if I was wrong.
Then, you respond to this post like this:
Brad McFall writes:
Are you thinking that *because* there is only "one" form (of life) that that is how and why you thought and think life off Earth is possibly probable? I have no confidence in projecting my understanding of life from here to somewhere else. The general scientific literature led me to THINK that when I got beyond the Heart of Darkness in Congo etc ( I went to Africa in '86)that my intution of life on Earth would 'expand'. The spectral color incorporation in soma was all I noticed but this is not even easily significant intraspecifically but rather "looks" only like behahvior differemces. So OUTSIDE my own ideas of this ONE LIFE I was misled by scienitific discussion infered or induced by others as to the additions to any life. May I note that if you really try to understand Agassiz's Essay on Classification, Questia
one can see that the creationist in him finds life divided essentially so that IF LIFE is found on another alien planent then it might simply expand our understanding of life on Earth and not indicate that we have then (if) another version (aka Silicon, Mercury, Boron etc) of life to study. And more modernly I ASKED ERNST MAYR to just attach a NUMBER UNIQUELY to each sample of Musuem specimens with a suggestion on how this might be done but he, himself took that in this sense of MORE THAN ONE LIFE. Peter had noted the physical environment in a way that makes THIS THINKING to be not amenable to notions of say Sagan on likelyhoods of other planet life. I will describe the difficulites - in thought - later. I did not follow Razd's response.
Jar and I had trouble understanding you. I don't know about jar, but here is what I find confusing:
1) what do you mean by "The spectral color incorporation in soma was all I noticed but this is not even easily significant intraspecifically but rather "looks" only like behahvior differemces.(?) And who is Agassiz?
2)Who is Ernst Mayr?
3) What is your point?
Sorry, Brad. I'm just a simple mind...Maybe I'm picking on you too much...BTW I just looked at your other posts on this forum and the internet...you are way intellegent and, perhaps, just find it hard to relate to simple minds like myself! respectfully,Phatboy
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Message 61 of 65 (140362)
09-06-2004 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Brad McFall
09-06-2004 1:17 PM


Re: Linguistics and Explanations
So Brad, did you ever have any fun on these jungle excursions or was it all business?

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