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Wepwawet
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Message 25 of 96 (389005)
03-09-2007 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by MartinV
03-09-2007 6:00 PM


Re: contradicting the source
Instead of explaining basics of darwinism you should better explain the sentence from the article:
quote:
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This amount of cospeciation is more than expected by chance
alone.
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What have authors of the article on their mind?
Something like cospeciation caused by "random mutation" is better explanation as cospeciation caused by "chance mutation"?
You know, you could actually quote the entire sentence instead of just a fragment and insert your own punctuation...here's the whole thing (quoted from your previous post, so don't try to tell us it was an accident):
This amount of cospeciation is more than expected by chance
alone (P < 0.01; reconciliation analysis, as implemented
in TreeMap 1; Page, 1995).
That little part inside the parentheses is important, it tells you exactly what the authors have in mind. The P < 0.01 tells you what the correlation coefficient is of the data and the rest of the sentence explains the method used so that you can do the calculations yourself if you like and it shows you the page where the calculation is made so you can check their math. I can't teach statistics to you (I'm just going on memory from class several years ago), but I assume that they have them in Eastern Europe, although you won't find modern statistical methods in the Bible. By the way, it's not a P, it's the Greek letter Rho; the P only approximates the actual character.

When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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Wepwawet
Member (Idle past 6138 days)
Posts: 85
From: Texas
Joined: 04-05-2006


Message 71 of 96 (389230)
03-11-2007 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by MartinV
03-11-2007 1:49 PM


Re: contradicting the source
Wepwawet writes:
The P < 0.01 tells you what the correlation coefficient is of the data and the rest of the sentence explains the method used so that you can do the calculations yourself if you like and it shows you the page where the calculation is made so you can check their math.
So he recommend me to see "reconciliation analysis (Page, 1990) in TreeMap (Page,1995)." Something darwinists on EvC are obviously well acquainted with judging by your behaviour.
That was a reference from the authors telling you exactly where in the full paper you can get the information necessary to check their methods and do the calculations yourself. It is an invitation to join Clayton, Bush and Johnson in doing science.
The point is that all the facts are layed out in the open for you to see. That you are unwilling or unable to do so is a sound conviction of your arguments all by itself. You expect us to spoon feed you information in an easily digestible, bland paste.
I know Percy thinks we should explain statistics to you, but I'll respectfully disagree. I think it is an imposition on the time of others who are here to talk about the topic. You can go Google "Statistics" all on your own...you don't need us to do it for you. If you are unable or unwilling to understand the referenced abstract then I suggest you be quiet and try to learn something. In case you believe that advice is something thought up by Evil Darwinists I'll give you something else to chew on:
quote:
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Proverbs 17:28
Martin, if you had a legitimate question I would try to help you answer it. The thrust of the topic has been explained very ably in this thread; researchers see what they regard as a significant co-evolutionary relationship between some hosts and their parasites. I think this is an amazingly nifty thing. Somebody thought "Hey if this evolution thing is all it's cracked up to be, then there should be a relationship between isolated species and their dedicated preditors". They figured out how to test for it, then went and ran the tests...this is really good stuff and I just wish I understood more of it than I do...but the parts I do understand are pretty darn good. Go read the abstract, or you can go where I first read it: The Loom; (after first reading about it at Panda's Thumb) it's an easier read that hits the highlights:
Question of the Day: How Do You Get Crabs From A Gorilla?

When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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