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Author Topic:   Are creationist crticisms of ToE based upon the assumption that creation happened?
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Message 4 of 37 (40358)
05-16-2003 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Flamingo Chavez
05-16-2003 1:55 AM


Theory of Evolution ToE

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NosyNed
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Message 6 of 37 (40370)
05-16-2003 2:30 AM
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05-16-2003 2:08 AM


As for any evidence, I can't point to anything beyond my own personal narrative.
And I, for one, wouldn't argue with you at all. Unless you want to pick on me for not seeing it your way that is.

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Message 31 of 37 (41220)
05-24-2003 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by crashfrog
05-23-2003 5:21 PM


Re: Purpose
The simple fact is, random chance can, over sufficient time, cause any physically possible configuration of matter. Both natural selection and intelligence are simply ways of cutting that time down a bit by searching through the set of all possible configurations through some method.
I think you're exactly right but are missing an important emphasis. The "cutting that time down a bit" may be misleading to the point of being wrong.
The selection process both cuts down on the time (and I'm guessing by a lot ) and produces certain patterns in the result (the Panda's thumb). You can't get everywhere from one given point.
Edited to add:
The cutting down is important because I'd guess that many situations are so unlikly to occur if all possibilities are allowed.
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Message 33 of 37 (41613)
05-28-2003 11:55 AM
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05-28-2003 5:20 AM


Re: Purpose
If a branch looks unlikely to yield the result, it's
lopped off rather than searched.
No way! There is no looking ahead.
I don't think I made the point clear.
One thing: There is not particular direction or "desired" outcome.
Once some variation arises and is selected for it may mean that other possible branches in evolutionary space are less easy to reach or impossible. Therefore the continued process isn't having to search every possible outcome. There are a smaller number of total steps to get from where it was to where it is.
But it isn't searching for a particular way out. It is a little like water flowing downhill. It doesn't have any preferences for which way but will find one way.
Water flowing once it has branched right at some point can't move back up hill and "explore" the left branch. Well, in general. It could back up and make a deep pool and flow the other way under some circumstances.
I think the above might be a slightly useful analogy.

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