When Adam met Eve

Hey Iano It must have been a powerful experience. It makes me wonder what Eve looked like. She must have been amazing. Plus, it would have been the perfect marraige, due to the fact that there where no other women around for Eve to accuse Adam of gawking at or sleeping around with LOL.There is a Proverb/joke that this topic reminds me of..."When God made the world, he rested.When God made man, he rested.When God made woman, neither man nor God has rested lol

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

:shock:That's an odd interpretation there. First time I've heared of it. It seems to me like reading into the text. I look for a girlfriend and have ask a few chicks out every now and again. Doesn't mean i'm having sex with them to see if they would be good mates or not.To me it's a stretch, but I dont doubt some here have put it foward. I'll check ol' Robert Alter and a few others later to see if it is legit or not.Having sex with animals, called Beastiality, is outlawed in the Pentateuch (Leviticus 18:23, 20:15, Deuteronomy 27:21 Exodus 22:19)and even mating different kinds of animals was forbidden (Leviticus 19:19) and even the mating between angels and humans seems abomnable in Genesis 6:1-4. So the Pentateuch seems to stress a point on keeping things "Natural" of you catch my drift.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Another good thing about Adam and Eve's marraige is that, if they didn't eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then when Eve gave birth, it wouldn't be as chaotic as it is in our modern delivery rooms in our hospitals. Eve is said to have been cursed to have much greater birth pains in childbirth after the fall (Genesis 3:16)and Christianity by and large see this as a foreshadowing of the terrible pains of childbirth that women would face in childbirth ever since. So if they didn't eat of the fruit, Eve would not have said this during the birthing process...."I HATE YOU ADAM!!! I HATE YOU ADAM!!! LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO MEEE!!!!!" LOLWhen it talks about increased birth pains, it makes me wonder if Eve had much wider hips than women today have, in relative terms. A wider birth canal would allow for less pain during childbirth.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Okay, as long as we are using the right word... I might have made myself unclear somehow, but to this I would say: DUH! The point is is that childbirth was made to be more painful that it was intended to be because of Eve's sin. No Change? Adam and Eve ate the fruit and suddenly knew that they where naked, something that they did not know before (Gen 2:25-3:7)Adam, Eve, and the serpent where punished severely, and even the animals suffered a curse(Gen 3:14-19) something that hadn't happened before. And then Adam and Eve suddenly knew what good and evil where, and where therefore denied the fruit of the Tree of life, which could make one immortal, something that was not denied Adam and eve before (Gen 3:1-3,22-24, see also Gen 2:1-9,15-17)That seems like a pretty big darn change if you ask me.BTW: The "Fall" is a term used by theologians to describe the sin of Adam and Eve and the subsequent judgement of God and the loss of Paradise as recorded in Genesis 3. If you say there is no "fall" in Genesis, then you choose to ignore the passage in question. But those verses exist, they tell the story, and whether you believe the Bible or not, in it there is the story of what we call "The Fall" Which could have happened, given that God is Omnipotent (Gen18:14, Job 42:1-2) and has done much weider things, such as making Donkeys talk (Numbers 22:22-33)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

"So the Lord said to the Serpent "Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all Livestock and all wild animals" Genesis 3:14That pretty much implies that animals suffered some kind of curse. Do you know what Livestock are? You know that wild animals are in reality animals right? Funny, I grew up in Texas, a part of the Bible belt, and have been to many, many Churches, and off and on I have heared about "The Fall" and it is no doubt in many of the Bibles that people take to Church with them, orthat are available in the pews. You see, In Numerous Bibles, above Genesis chapter 3, you will often see the words "The Fall" or "The Fall of man" (See TNIV, Udpated NASB parrallel The Message, NAB, The Nelson Study Bible NKJV, ESV,The Student Bible NIV, and even above Genesis 3:6 in the Scofield KJV!)The Holman Illustrated Bible dictionary has it under the word "Fall" on page 551 and extends to page 553. It calls the Fall the traditional name for Adam and Eve's original sin and the judgement upon man and nature. Where is that found in the Bible? Genesis 3. Hmmm. In "Zondervan's Pictorial Bible Dictionary" in page 275 it also mentions the Fall under the words "Fall, the" and says that The Fall is narrarated in (Get this!) Genesis 3 as an historical fact, not myth. R. A. Torrey, in his book "What the Bible Teaches" also mentions the fall from page 268-270. V. Gilbert Beers' "The Victor Journey through the Bible" on page 12 devotes a who section to the Fall, and calls it (get ready for this) "THE FALL".I really am beginning to think that you are being untruthful here. As I just showed with numerous sources, it is not just my interpretation. Or that humans are Dumb Ashes who screwed it up big time, kinda like how we are messing up the Ozone and the atmosphere with pollutants.Or how humans screwed up North Amerrica during the Ice age by causing a mass extinction, which included Giant Ground Sloths, Mammoths, Mastadons, and Giant Short Faced Bear (See "Land of Lost Monsters" By Ted Oakes)Although Earth has always been with death and disaster, Adam and Eve lived in a earthly paradise that was free from danger. Until... Your interpretation is not the only one. hehe.BTW: Even before the fall, Adam and Eve where not abysmally dumb. In reality they knew quite a bit. Adam could do garden work, give names to different kinds of animals and could speak (Gen 2:15,19,23-24) and Eve could speak very well(Gen 3:2-3)They may not have known good or evil or that they where naked, but they had some advanced intelligence.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I've also wondered if Eve was much larger and more robust than Adam, orif she was very fat or thin. Either way Adam seemed to like what he saw (Gen 2:23-24)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Oh, Adam and Eve where meant to BREED (Genesis 1:27-28 Gen 2:23-24)Indeed, it might be possible that Eve became Pregnant before the Serpent and fruit incident.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

D'oh (smack myself in head) I just remembered that. Thanks for reminding me

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Whoa dude. Think of all the money you could save on coffee tables if your wife or girlfreind had such a rear LOL

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Yes, it does. For example, If I say "You are suffering above all the others" it implies that the others are suffering, just not as much as the individual in question. uh, yeah. Pretty much knew that. The point I made is that "The Fall" is such a recognised part of Biblical theology and the Bible it'self that Bible Translators Actually put the word above the passage to describe the events that followed. The word "Fall" is not in Genesis 3 if I remember correctly, but that doesn't mean that the chapter doesn't teach the fall of man, Just as the word "Trinity" is never mentioned in the Bible but is nevertheless taught in the Bible(John 1:1, Acts 5:1-4, John 20:17) And the other sources I quoted make much mention of "The Fall", so you really dont have a case.Unless you can show undeniable proof that the events described in Genesis 3 where never called "The fall" or described as such, then you have no foundation for this argument. Anybody who has been to Numerous evangelical Churches and Bible studies (where Bibles are found) would at least once have heared of the Fall or see those words "The Fall" above Genesis chapter 3, especially if they have lived at least half a century or so. When something smells fishy, I state it. Not to be mean or hateful (I wasn't) but to me your story sounds to me not kosher. It just sounds funny that in my short life I have known for many a year about the Fall, while you, who have lived at least half a century, have never heared of it in a Church.Maybe it was the Churches you went to, maybe it was just in that part of the world you live in that the Fall is never mentioned in the local Churches (Canuckistan=Alaska?) Everybody has different levels and types of intelligence. The Physicist can make fun of his Redneck brother-in-law who never went to college and say that he is "abysmally dumb". That is until his car breaks down and he doesn't know anything about fixing cars or trucks...but realizes that his "abysmally Dumb" Brother-in-Law is a Mechanic. The Physicist may know far more about Math and Physics and science than his brother-in-law does, but his Brother in Law would know Far more about auto-mechanics than the egg head Physicist.When it comes to gardening, speaking, rational thought and naming animals, Adam and Eve where smart. When it came to what nakedness was, what good and evil where, and the fact that a talking serpent is not ordinary, they where ignorant. You can be smart in one partuclar field, yet know didly squat in another.This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:38 PMThis message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:44 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Yet you said "Your interpretation is not the only one."This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:47 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

The Fall: The original sin of Adam and Eve, and their expulsion from paradise and denial of immortality.Found in: Genesis chapter 3. It is recognized enough to have Bible translators put the words "The Fall" above Genesis 3. ah, now I see where you are coming from. hmmmm.... Since I am an Old Earther(we belive that physical death has been present since the beginning, though not spiritual death)the Fall was not a prehistoric beast who could leave a fossil record (LOL)nor was it a global clamatic upheaval that could leave traces in Geology, I would agree.Thanks for the advice And as for Adam not recognizing naked women: My Dog probably doesn't have any concept of "Nakedness" as we understand it. Probably Adam was the same way. And we really dont have enough info to debate over this area (This is a supernatural account, not a scientific one)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Although I agree we are responsible for our own actions, we still inherit the condemnation of Adam's sin. Check Romans 5:12-21. Note where it states "As one tresspass led to condemnation for all men" in the eitheenth chapter. Note that the context is relating to Adam's sin and how it's consequences where passed on to his descendants.They never had immortality, but they had every oppritunity to take it before their sin.What dramatic change in animals do you think would happen in the Fall?Gotta go. continue this later

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

"You may surely eat of [b]every[b] Tree of the Garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat, for in that day that you eat of it, you shall surely die." Genesis 2:16.And what was among the trees that Adam could eat from, other than the Tree of good and evil?The "Tree of Life" Genesis 2:9. Which God said later could make one "Immortal" Genesis 3:22. They therefore had ample oppritunity to become immortal before original sin. Did everybody who died in the past leave fossils? who said the curse could be seen in the fossil record? Who said it involed physical changes on all the other animals besides the serpent?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Probably not, since he is neutered lol . And as far as I know, Humans cant tell if a woman is in heat by their smell, as Dogs do. And as far as I know, women dont go through "heat" anymore than men go through "Must" which male African Elephants do. Could heat in humans be a woman's period? Just asking.Dog's can sense if a bitch is in heat. Can they understand that the Dog is naked? Do they know our concept of nakedness? He knows how to obey better lol . are you just a tad bit to emmerse in semantics? Would it be better if it was called "The Great screw up"? Actually, the "Fall" has been part of Church Doctrine since ancient times (See pages 271-274 of "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs" by David W. Bercot. Read also "Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old testament, Genesis 1-11" Adrew Louth, pages 79-83)This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-27-2006 09:34 AM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4