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iano Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The logic never ceases to confound me either
Man manufactures something, fettles it, tunes it stands back and admires it and says "this tells us how things work". But against what is this thing calibrated? The notions of its maker of course. Itself. Attempts to place it outside the realm of man and provide it with the calibration it needs: Scientific Method and Peer Review and Internal consistancy - are circular arguments. Very elaborate and elegant circular arguments. But circular all the same. At the root: man calibrates his own thinking and declares the result trustworthy. I can understand why "Godidit" arguments would be seen as circular - being for many, a mere product of mans imagination. And that faith is the only way to accept it. But when those who deride Godidit sail in a ship of the same design one does have to wonder. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Evidence cannot be valid evidence if it contradicts God. It has to be rethought. Correction: Evidence cannot be valid evidence in Faith's eyes if it contradicts what Faith thinks God says. She must rethink it and make it conform to what she thinks God has said. You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. There was absolutely nothing wrong about what I said and the way I said it. It remains true: EVIDENCE CANNOT BE VALID EVIDENCE IF IT CONTRADICTS GOD. IT HAS TO BE RETHOUGHT.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Faith writes: I avoid the science threads because I'm getting to the point where I hate science and hate scientists. Rude arrogant people. Something I've learned at EvC. Nice. Good conversation starter, though. What ever happened to "love your neighbor as yourself" and "love your enemies"? And on the "Rude arrogant people" all I have to say is "it takes one to know one."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
False idea of love. Start a new thread. It's off topic here.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
For the actual dates radiometric dating gives reliable results.
But there's a large amount of evidence that the geological record took a long time to form and that the life on this planet changed slowly over time (e.g. the numerous other dating methods covering the last few tens of thousands of years, the order in the fossil record, the rocks which formed in dry conditions, the amount of erosion visible, the study of how rocks form int he present day....) And I have my own opinions on just who is rude and arrogant. u
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
For the actual dates radiometric dating gives reliable results. And what are those results since you are supposedly giving me evidence that trilobites were extinct before human existed? Forget it. Radiometric dating is rejected by creationists. There is no way to verify that the method holds up for anything but recent times.
But there's a large amount of evidence that the geological record took a long time to form and that the life on this planet changed slowly over time (e.g. the numerous other dating methods covering the last few tens of thousands of years, the order in the fossil record, the rocks which formed in dry conditions, the amount of erosion visible, the study of how rocks form int he present day....) Oh right. All that complexity that is wrongly interpreted. Well that's about a dozen threads under the bridge by now. I thought you had some nice neat evidence about trilobites. My mistake.
And I have my own opinions on just who is rude and arrogant. Mine isn't an opinion. It's an objective fact. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Faith writes: False idea of love. Start a new thread. It's off topic here. And your comment about hating science and scientists and scientists being rude and arrogant was ON topic? I don't think so.Pot kettle black (again).
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes it was on topic. Scientists are dealing with the subject of this thread in their usual rude and arrogant way and it's why the thread is now a mess and the topic has been lost.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: OK, so you knew that the evidence did exist all along.
quote: I bet that if I looked at your "evidence" I would find that your opinions were neither objective nor even close to fact. o Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
And the Bible is God's word. Who wrote it? On what did they write it? With what?It's a collection of scrolls translated into books. Why would you think God wrote it? Does it even claim in the Bible that the Bible was written by God?Or did people like Paul and yourself write claiming that it was written by God? In short in face of the evidence that people wrote it, where is there any evidence the source of the universe wrote anything in it? [I know it was claimed God wrote the Ten Commandments in Stone but we don't have those tablets. And in the face of Iano's claim that it's the most protected book in history why weren't those originals by God protected?] lfen
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2923 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Faith writes: Yes it was on topic. Scientists are dealing with the subject of this thread in their usual rude and arrogant way and it's why the thread is now a mess and the topic has been lost. Oh I see. You can say pretty much what you want and vent at other posters and it is "on topic" but if someone calls you on it they are "off topic".Very shabby, Faith.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: And the Bible is God's word. to which lfen asked:
Who wrote it? On what did they write it? With what? It's a collection of scrolls translated into books. Why would you think God wrote it? Does it even claim in the Bible that the Bible was written by God?Or did people like Paul and yourself write claiming that it was written by God? If there is not just one Bible, but rather mutiple Canons, does that mean God speaks with forked tongue? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
God does what Faith says, To suggest otherwise is hubris. Haven't you been reading this thread ?
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