The bible and homosexuality

Even if true (which certinly seems unlikely), it has nothing to do with anything.Even if the Bible condemned homosexuality, and many of the Christians here don't believe that is so, it would still have no bearing on things like the absurd opposition to homosexual marriage.What I don't understand is why Christian groups, regardless of their personal beliefs, would oppose such a reasonable proposal?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No, there's a very simple solution in sight - let gay people have the same rights as straight people, and stop tying them up to fences and beating them to death.It's pretty frickin' simple. We don't want to turn all Christians into gay people. We just want you guys to leave gay people the hell alone.

"And God gave sex not just to reproduce."
Then why did you mention reproduction so many times? Since you now suggest that it has nothing to do with the issue."They are a married couple that can freely express their love for each other."So it is for expressing their love for each other? Do you think that a gay couple don't love each other?The logic seems to be feeble so far.Your problem is buried under this phrase:
"it is still the natural way to have sex"Would you please describe what you consider the natural way to have sex? I think it is clear that you don't consider anal sex to be natural. Since hetrosexual couples have sex that why maybe you can tell us what it has to do specifically with homosexuality?It does appear that the only thing your argument is based on is the idea of a "natural way". Let's discuss that to see if there is anything there but a personal opinion and a desire to control other peoples lives.

Mans order is primates, I identify man in the kingdom animalia.

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What is unlikely?
Animals are created equal to humans?
Oops, I'm going round and round.....pardon me.

Did I stutter?Look, all our side wants is for Christians to stop nosing into behaviors that have no discernable effect on anybody and to stop standing in the way of affording all couples the same rights that are currently afforded only to some.It's not rocket science, PG. It's compromise. You think gay sex is wrong? Fine, don't have it. You'll notice that none of us are asking you to have sex with another man. But plenty of other people have a differing opinion about how suitable homosexuality is for themselves, and all we want people like you to do is stop standing in the way of their right to excerise their sexuality in any way that pleases and is sufficiently safe for the participants involved.It's not clear to me what part of that you don't understand.

But you still have not answered the questions in Message 136.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

To PecosGeorge:May I ask a question? In your opinion:Is homosexuality (the attraction towards individuals of the same sex as you):
a) A conscious choice made by the individual.
or
b) Determined by genes?Patiently awaiting your reply.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

People's feet are not made to wear high heels. This is a myth. However, we know for a fact that prolonged use of high heels will seriously damage a woman's feet and knees. I have proof that your head has no brain in it. Of course I can't really give you anything solid, but I think it is justified because you are not giving me anything solid either. Give me at least an explanation and I will apologize for calling you an airhead. If we were all doctors, civilization would cease to exist. If we were all presidents, civilization would cease to exist. If we were all heterosexual women, civilization would cease to exist. If we were all heterosexual men, civilization would cease to exist.The point is not all people are doctors, presidents, straight women, or straight men. Base on your logic, since not everyone is gay, there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality. You and your completely illogical reasons are the reason I want a gene pool clean-up. Uh.... what does this have to do with anything we are talking about? Stalin was not a bible thumping SOB and he did some of the most terrible things in history. Just a little fact for you to think about.By the way, I don't take statements like yours very well BECAUSE I've seen absolutely no valid explanation whatsoever. Give me more than unsupported assertions PLEASE!

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The Laminator

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amen.it is not anyone's business what people do with their private lives, and there is not justifiable reason to get offended over other peoples' business that has nothing to do with you. ever.legally, your rights stop at the next person's, and jurisdication of the legislature stops at a certain point.

the people asserting the view that homosexuality is not natural may wish to know about this species of lizard that lives in arizona and nevada, cnemidophorus uniparens. they are parthenogenetic unisexual pseudocopulators.or, using the slang term, lesbians. all of them.you see, apparently they are ALL female, and technically reproduce asexually, making clones of themselves. but in order to do so, they still require sexual stimulus, from another lizard.

This just isn't true. Since that time is the general opinion of a lot of people that one or two things he endorsed or tolerated should not be endorsed or tolerated, such as slavery or a subordinate role for women. There are also a lot of people, not a majority or barely a majority, who disagree with Paul on a lot of things, and there are a very, very few who would agree with you that many of the practices he endorsed or tolerated are immoral."We have come to realize" is utterly meaningless in the west, where the idea of how people should live varies immensely. People in general are way too alone and unhappy to make "we have come to realize" mean anything impressive.

will you find a post where I deny your rights to choose how you live your life. Neither does God deny it.
It's not my business and I thank God for that.
I pointed out and point out that God declines to accept certain behaviors as acceptable to him.
Neither has he stopped you, neither will he, neither will I. He does not stand in your way, neither do I.
I speak for myself, not other Christians, not other people of any kind, not the laws laid down in this country.

here also believe that upon death one either goes to heaven or hell. All those Christians who believe so, are wrong.
It is said of man that he is created in the image of God, in the image of God created he man. This is not said of animals.This message has been edited by PecosGeorge, 06-09-2004 11:55 AM