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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
We all have sinned, and I hardly see how anyone can point fingers. Great post, I agree and concur(not conquer) with your post. Also - people often make a note of what it says in Romans chapter one, but miss the first verse of chapter two. What has Lam got to do to get a debate going ? We all seem to agree on this.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Fair enough. The people who are against you though - probably don't hang around a lot. Most who are bigots, usually leave after a few weeks or hardly ever attend the forum. The fact is, like Loudmouth said in his post, most christians have a new covenant. I am also a Gentile, so would not nor ever have attended to the words of Leviticus - A book which was probably(though I'm not certain) orally(stop sniggering Dan) passed down through the ages before being written.
Example of oral stories: She went and burned herselfShe went to burn his elf she burned santa's elf she was burned as an elf she got burned by an elf An elf burned her for santa [This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 04-29-2004]
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Anyway, it is my feeling that people are moving away from following the teachings of Jesus, and moving towards justification of their prejudices by quoting selective scriptures. Hopefully, you're wrong about this. Nevertheless, they are without excuse. I agree with what you said about the "homosexual prostitution". That certainly rang true when I read it.
Of course, being a professed agnostic doesn't put me in the best position to persuade christian practice. Well, then become a christian like me. What have you got to lose?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Nobody know the day or hour of Christ's return, neither did Paul claim to know it. In the NT it makes it clear that we should always "watch". Stop trying to make out christianity is of the past.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
The NT also says "a day to the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day".
So then, if I wait a couple of days or a couple of thousand years.......
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I enjoyed your first paragraph. But in your second one, you pokemon-evolved into Dan Carroll.
there were honest questions that I asked myself and the honest answers have led me down the path I am on now. Okay - I won't continue with my preachings for now. I will just secretly pray for you and so force you into belief. You're right I am concerned about the fait of your soul - you are the first to ever say that to me. Unfortunately, people are usually cynical about this and miss the true intention. They usually would rather accuse me of judging you to hell. Yet they miss some scriptures which I happen to remember. Your posts suggest that you have heard Christ's words - and done them, he who does that builds his house upon a rock. I am more impressed with your efforts than some of those who claim to know Christ. Also, the son of man dividing the sheep from the goats is necessary - plus the fact that I am your witness. Either way - I do not immediately think such things as "he's a hell-dweller". [This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 04-29-2004]
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
But seriously, he's got a point. Why don't you become a Rastafarian? What have you go to lose? I guess I am content that Christ is the way, to God. I am satisfied Christ is the only begotten son of God, that in itself and the teachings of the NT thereof - satisfy me. It is all in the bible, and I want to be written in the book of life. I could go on but it is hard to explain and I can hear you sighing from here........
Equally unfortunately, in order to have concern for our immortal souls, you must first work under the assumption that our souls are in danger. In other words, the sentiment's nice and all, but a pre-requisite for it is to judge us to the pit. Well - if it helps, I think everybody is in danger of the pit. But I only try to preach to people because of what God says about sin, not what I say. So - the point is, I believe fully, and therefore am convinced that Christ is the truth - what would you do in my position? (That last bit isn't sexual innuendo )
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Good to see you back in fighting form as ever, Rrhain.
Have enough faith that god does not need me to spread the word. If god wants another person to join the song, he'll hand out the music for himself. Why is that so difficult to understand? Well, I only said to Loudmouth, "why not become christian". It was hardly a full out - attack of preaching. However, you are right, God doesn't need me to preach, yet if there is a chance you may believe I have to take that chance to preach. You don't really have to be so cynical about me.
Keep my big mouth shut. Have the respect to understand that I am not in any position to tell anybody else about the supernatural Well, I am in a position to tell people about the bible and what it says, it is infact and is - how you pointed out, there - and exists of itself without my intervention. But - the bible I read is infact a book - in the natural, not the supernatural. It says that Christ is the truth, I only testify that I also believe that and preaching isn't a crime you know. Anyway, I heeded Loudmouth and backed off. I never preach after people have stated dis-interest.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
It really is that simple. If someone wants to know about your opinion, he'll ask you for it. You take offense, but Loudmouth didn't. He didn't complain.
God doesn't need you to preach. In fact, that Bible of yours you claim to follow specifically instructs you not to preach. Can you provide the quote from the bible in it's entirety please. And even if you do, talking about God is not preaching, I am only posting to you to explain my position and why I made the suggestion to Loudmouth.
Since you are not god and are absolutely incapable of speaking for him, where do you get off trying to tell others about what god wants? I haven't mentioned what God wants. I just said to Loudmouth "Why not become christian".
Um, how did we shift from the supernatural to the Bible? Seems that your god isn't actually god but rather a book. If you want to talk about a book, that's fine. To pretend that the book is god We shifted from the supernatural which is spoke of in the bible and you have now shifted into saying I am pretending God is a book. Hmmmm...
And as you well know, that means nothing since it is illogical to use a circular argument. The Bible is true because it says it is. Even if there is a possible logical possibility (not error) that the bible argument is circular - what would that mean if it really is the truth?
Fine. I'm god. I'm god because I say I am and I say I am because I am. Now, why is it you seem to believe your book and not me? I thought a book was God - and now you say you are, how then can I trust you when you are confusing yourself.
Hah! Why do you still preach to me? You know I don't want to hear it. I am not preaching, I am debating. Your problem is that you are a preachophobic.
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