Why are there venomous snakes?

Perhaps the Biblical answer lies in the details of the curse upon the serpents in Genesis 3: 15, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel."The serpent was radically changed at the fall, according to the Genesis account. The clear implication is that the prefallen ones had longer legs and were walking and possibly flying creatures. Imo, the prefallen serpents were the dinosaurs whose offspring became snakes, lizzards, allegators, etc. They are all of the serpent family. Likely two not mentioned results were diminished intelligence and poisonous venom. The serpents were the most intelligent of the animal kingdom at creation according to the account. A lot happened at this catastrophy of the fall, including thorny plants and so forth. I believe some plants became poisonous as well.I do not agree with most creationists such as ICR who believe and teach that dinosaurs were in Noah's ark. I do believe however, that the parent prefallen dinosaurs lived very long lives and many survived until the flood which would have been about 1500 years since many humans lived nearly a thousand years.

You are speaking as an evolutionist. This change involves a supernatural overhaul/adjustment of the genes which science cannot account for. No I haven't and no they wouldn't have. Each of the various zapped belly crawling offspring of the parent dinosaurs would be descended from the dinosaur forbear of the variety it descended from. Nice try though.

It takes little thought for a sound rebut of this logic. Where in Genesis does it say or even imply that plants of the garden would not die or be eaten and that bacteria would not die? Where in Geneses, for that matter does it say brute animals would not die? True, man would not need kill animals for food, but that does not mean the animals would not die of old age. The only implication of eternal life before the fall pertained to man who, after all was created in the image of his creator, Jehovah God who was an eternal being.

I had an ear for dinner today, but don't plan to save my feces for seed next year. Maybe for fertilizer. Yuk!

Eta, can you spell C R E A T I O N I S T? I am a creationist who believes in a supernatural dimension in the universe and which, imo, mainline science bulligerently denies. I speak as a creationist with the understanding that there is that supernatural dimension and a creator supreme being who can do things natural science cannot explain. You and I are ideological opponents here debating from our respective viewpoints. Why is it that you think you should disrespectfully insult your counterpart whenever your counterpart on the EvC Forum debates from a creationist viewpoint? When are you ever going to grow up, Eta, and learn a little respect? Hmmm??This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-27-2004 10:10 PM

............in the plant kingdom.

Yaro, I didn't ask what some folks believe. What matters in this debate is what does the scriptural text say?

Eta, I haven't done a website search in days. Do you think you have some kind of psycic powers or something? Well, if you think you do, let me assure you, you don't. Why in heck should a creationist debate from a secularistic scientific viewpoint?? If you want that, poleeeeze go and join some forum which doesn't allow creationist viewpoints expressed. Again, Eta, when, oh when, are you ever going to grow up and learn a little respect in this town??? When has buzsaw ever used this phrase in debate in this forum, Eta? Please document. Put up or shut up!! Ditto. Put up or shut up, Eta!!

Alright, make it plants and some bacteria. Big deal!! Yaro, it's obvious, you're desperate here, for a thread of something, anything for refutation. Oh well, I sense your need.

Oh, really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, that's a new one on me!!!!!!!!!! So humanistic higher education in America is now admitting that the supernatural dimension in the universe is a reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOWIE!!!!!!!!! LM, pray tell now, which universities now, can I send my kid to who will teach him that the supernatural phenomonen in the universe actually exists and that he can be sure of that???????? Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth?? Which ones, LM? .........and LM, what did I say about that in refutation to your post? Please read thoughtfully and carefully and there's your answer.

Well, then, peace, Yaro. Maybe you need also to thoughtfully reread responses to the OP. {Shrugs). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message has been edited by buzsaw, 07-27-2004 11:26 PM

..........Nor to refute the fact.

Ok Lam, which positive posts of my ideological adversaries have they positively proven? Please specify.

..........and which of the miraculous Biblical claims do they teach? Oh, so since it may or may not exist, they really don't know and since they don't know, they play it safe and ultimately the student is taught that it doesn't exist?? Is that how it works?,Oh, so maybe the supernatural exists, but for all practictal purposes and to suit our own personal ideologies, we're just going to assume in this class that it doesn't exist and go with what is secularistically natural? Is that the way it works and is that why the kid graduates fully indoctinated into humanistic secularism? So now, we come back full circle to my original point that SCIENTIFICALLY THERE IS NO SUPERNATURAL DIMENSION IN THE UNIVERSE ACCORDING TO CONVENTIONAL SCIENCE AS TAUGHT IN SECULARISTIC UNIVERSITIES. LM, I fully explained that the descendendents of the originals were in the ark. If your mind cannot comprehend that, I'm afraid I can't help you. By your logic, all the forbears of the ark passengers should be aboard the voyage. LOL and bonvoyu. I'm hittin hay! G'nite.

Specifically which facts, Doc? 1. Please teach me how there could be no life without death with Adam and Eve in the garden.2. You have yet to aprise me of your notion that Genesis states or implies there is no death of things other than mankind in the garden of Eden. I'm all eyes, awaiting this revelation from you.