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Message 14 of 75 (128210)
07-27-2004 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Yaro
07-27-2004 9:50 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Excellent point Yaro. That was one of the first problems which biology made apparent to me. There can be no life without death.
That reminds me of another biological problem with the Genesis myth. All creatures were supposed to be fruitful and multiply and "fill the earth." I wonder what was supposed to happen once the earth became "full." Perhaps the point is moot now the plan went sour 'cause a Jew ate something wasn't Kosher. Oddly, the divine command to multiply continues to drive us mad. And no matter how often we practice to obey it, we still haven't filled the earth.

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doctrbill
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Message 40 of 75 (128255)
07-28-2004 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
07-27-2004 11:55 PM


Re: nothing would rot
Any facts which challenge your point of view should give you pause to reconsider your conclusions. Well, that would be the case for a reasonable person.
P.S. - Your position regarding the existence of death prior the entrance of sin is unique. What brings you to this conclusion? You must realize that this puts you on the fringe Christendom, which asserts that there was no death - period - before the entrance of sin.
And by the way, the truth of life is this:
There can be no life without death.

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doctrbill
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Message 49 of 75 (128342)
07-28-2004 9:42 AM
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07-28-2004 1:20 AM


Re: nothing would rot
buzsaw writes:
Specifically which facts, Doc?
The facts of life buz. You know ... Biology.
1. Please teach me how there could be no life without death with Adam and Eve in the garden.
I can hardly teach you biology via email. The fact is simply this: There can be no life without death, Period. Doesn't matter what your name is or what you call your garden.
2. You have yet to aprise me of your notion that Genesis states or implies there is no death of things other than mankind in the garden of Eden. I'm all eyes, awaiting this revelation from you.
As I suggested earlier, your view is far from the mainstream take on this. The future world is supposed to be a restoration of Eden, or Eden-like conditions, which the deity declared to be "Very Good." It is difficult to imagine a "very good" world in which three ton predators have run of the place, screams of the dying echo off the trees, rotting corpses perfume the air, and sun bleached bones dot the landscape.
If you haven't already done so, see this argument posted by A.I.G. which explains (from a Christian point of view) why there can have been no death at all prior to "the fall."
Why Does God’s Creation Include Death and Suffering? | Answers in Genesis

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doctrbill
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Message 51 of 75 (128356)
07-28-2004 10:38 AM
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07-28-2004 10:33 AM


Re: nothing would rot
buzsaw writes:
My question is specifically about what the Genesis account says.
Well Buz: If Genesis were the only book of the Bible we'd have a difficult time supporting Christianity now, wouldn't we? In fact, short of reasoning outside that box, neither of us would have much to say.
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