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Author Topic:   Creation DOES need to be taught with evolution
PurpleYouko
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Message 223 of 245 (164932)
12-03-2004 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by d_yankee
12-01-2004 8:27 PM


Re: Froggy
Wow!
I am really impressed with the amount of research that you must have undertaken to come up with all of these "facts". I haven't managed to find any of them during my studies.
On a more serious note, are you suggesting these these "facts" be taught in school?
d_Yankee writes:
Remember, if the temperature is above a certain degrees or below a certain degrees...a prizm can not be seen. Explaining why there was no rainbow before the flood.
The diffraction properties of light don't care what the temperature of the media through which it is passing is at. I routinely use light refraction properties every day to measure elements in samples. It happens under a pretty much complete vacuum where temperature is meaningless. The source of the light is at several thousand degrees.
A rainbow is made by sunlight striking raindrops. See here for a nice explanation of it.
All it takes to make a rainbow is the boundary layer between air and liquid water. Sure there are temperatures and pressures at which water is not liquid but those conditions are not very conducive to human life in general. Check THIS site out for a nice phase diagram showing quite clearly that at normal atmospheric pressure, rainbows will exist up to a boiling point at around 375 Kelvins. Way hotter than you could survive at to see it.
At the other end of the scale, it would have to be ice.
If my children were to be taught this garbage in US schools then I would be heading back to England on the next plane.
d_yankee writes:
The Bible states that before the flood the earth had a water canopy surrounding the earth, most likely ice...you can even see ice surrounding other planets in our solar system as well.
Where the heck do you get this crap from?
The bible certainly doesn't suggest a huge barrier of ice floating in the sky in defience of gravity.
I suppose it would explain the lack of rainbows though as these actually require sunlight.
As for the other planets with ice on them, I see no such thing and neither have the probes that we have sent to look for water on these other planets.
If this is the kind of total rubbish that the ID lobby want to get into our school system then I very strongly vote NO!.
However I strongly doubt that anyone who has even the slightest inkling of the way science works (IDs included) would even suggest such an utterly preposterous idea.
PY
PS Thanks for giving me such a good laugh. I could barely manage to pick myself up from the floor to read the next line after each of your "facts".

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PurpleYouko
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Message 224 of 245 (164934)
12-03-2004 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by NosyNed
12-03-2004 12:48 AM


Re: Full circle
I would like to see it too.
I would really like to be there to see the laughter it would generate.
It would be better than Faulty Towers!
PY

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PurpleYouko
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Message 239 of 245 (168131)
12-14-2004 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by RAZD
12-12-2004 1:00 PM


Re: Creationist predictions?
Hey Razd
I have also thought that the last two years of high school could be removed from that program and combined into a community college with an associates degree at the end that also serves to eliminate freshman year at the universities (like AP classes can now): let those who want to go to these institutions do so at state cost (free to the student), but don't require it of those who don't want an advanced education (get the deadwood out of the system so the others can learn) and let the colleges focus on different areas of interest.
There is a place where this is exactly the way it works. It's called England.
I would estimate that about 50% of students leave school at age 16 while the rest go on into local colleges or stay on at school for an optional two years extra.
During this 2 years they gain the entry requirements for University where there is NO freshman year. Therefore university typically lasts 3 years instead of 4.
Trouble is that in England they still haven't managed to teach students what science actually is. Just like over here.
I definitely agree that kids need to be taught how to think before they are dumped into a class to be bombarded with a load of "facts" which they have to remember just long enough to pass the exams.
I can also see the benefits of comparing creationism to evolution with respect to predictions etc. but you are right in that it would detract from the real science class.
Tricky dilemna
PY

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PurpleYouko
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Message 240 of 245 (168133)
12-14-2004 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by David Fitch
12-12-2004 6:39 PM


Re: crucifixion
David Fitch writes:
Sounds like they still haven't taught science in your school...i.e., how science works.
have they taught it in any schools? I haven't come across one yet.
PY

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