Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
0 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Creation DOES need to be taught with evolution
MiguelG
Member (Idle past 2006 days)
Posts: 63
From: Australia
Joined: 12-08-2004


Message 225 of 245 (166755)
12-09-2004 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by d_yankee
12-01-2004 8:27 PM


Reply
I'm wondering if d-yankee could give some references for the folowing statement?:
d_yankee writes:
The frozen neanderthals(humans)...
As for this one:
d_yankee writes:
mammoths....were humungously larger as well.
"Humungously" larger?
Not really. The Imperial mammoth could reach approxiamtely 14 feet at the shoulder while the African elephant of today can attain approximately 13 feet at the shoulder.
Not what I would call a "humungous" difference in size.
d_yankee writes:
Explaining why dinosaurs, or (dragons) as they were called before 1838, were so big and had such small snouts.
What exactly do you mean by "small snouts"??? A "snout" is usually defined as a long projecting or anterior elongation of an animal's head; especially the nose.
Did you mean nostrils?
T. rex had an enormous olfactory organ for example, as did many of the hadrosaurids.
d_yankee writes:
Also explaining why humans, who were much bigger in that time, can live an average of 912 years, the Bible explains.
And where can we see fossils, artifacts and habitations of such 'giants'? Or is the evidence confined to your interpretation of Biblical scripture?
d_yankee writes:
Remember, if the temperature is above a certain degrees or below a certain degrees...a prizm can not be seen. Explaining why there was no rainbow before the flood.
Do you mean a quartz prism, or some other sort of mineralised formation?
Are you not actually referring to refraction?
Refraction is affected by atmospheric density, temperature & humidity,
but I doubt that conditions would exist over an entire planet that would prevent the formation of a rainbow everywhere.
In any case, I am puzzled as to your 'Biblical source' for this comment or its applicability to the argument at hand?
d_yankee writes:
Most likely a comet broke through the canopy of ice or liquid water...
And beneath this layer of water/cloud/ice, we are to believe that photosynthesizing plants, plankton and entire ecosystems dependent on them flourished?
d_yankee writes:
and hit the earth causing what we see as a seeming meteor hit the earth...but where is it? It was a comet most likely and played a part in some ice age effect...frozen mammoths, neanderthals,...etc.
There is a great deal of surmise and wishful thinking in this statement.
The fact that it inherently ignores basic physics, geology, palaeontology, climatology, cosmology, ecology and biology should be more than a clue to most people as to its efficacy even as poor
Christian apologetics.
d_yankee writes:
The fossils show that there are trees that are standing upright and through "supposedly" different ages of rocks. LOL.
Sudden deposition isn't the problem you seem to think it is.

In modern geology, it is a well established fact that single, local floods can deposit sediments up to several feet thick.
In addition, trees buried in these sediments don't suddenly die and decay immediately and can remain there for years or even decades.
This was conclusively proved well over a hundred years ago by John William Dawson (c.1868) described upright giant lycopod trees at Joggins, Nova Scotia; of a few metres in height, preserved mainly in river-deposited sandstones and dated to the Carboniferous era. These trees had extensive root systems with rootlets that penetrated into the underlying sediment, which were either a coal seam (i.e. compressed plant material), or an intensely-rooted sandstone or mudstone (i.e. a soil horizon). Dawson considered and rejected anything but an in situ formation for these fossils, and his interpretation is closely similar to current interpretations of sediments deposited on river floodplains. Moreover, such polystrate fossils were formed at different periods of geological time - not at any one point (i.e. - various examples don't even share common strata) therefore creationists can't even point to a correlation in time to support their "single event flood" hypothesis.
d_yankee writes:
...It's obvious that they were buried by the mud and the shifting of the plates. Genesis states "the fountains of the great deep were broken up and 'Burst' open..."
Plates? Does this mean you agree with modern geology on plate tectonics and therefore continental drift?
d_yankee writes:
Finally, you said "Species"... God never told him species....He said "KINDS"...
Then define what a "kind" is please? This would make it easier to understand your argument.
Are all Insects of a 'kind' then?
Is a racoon a dog, bear or weasel "kind"?
How about a marsupial mouse, mole or possum? What 'kind' are they?
d_yankee writes:
A male and female, obviously young if they were to replenish the earth, of every "KIND" of animal, not species.
What is the creationist criteria for defining a 'kind'?
d_yankee writes:
God did not tell him the sea creatures...or fish...so minus that.
What happened to all the fresh-water fish then? Did they have some magical adaptation to protect them from the high saline levels generated by the flood?
d_yankee writes:
There are many different variations of dogs, wolves, but they are all dogs.
There are zebras, donkeys...but they are all horses.
Microevolution is obvious, macroevolution is obviously NOT.
So you believe in "microevolution"?
Why is macroevolution not possible in your opinion?
I'd be inteersted in your response.
Cheers & God bless

This message is a reply to:
 Message 212 by d_yankee, posted 12-01-2004 8:27 PM d_yankee has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 226 by AdminNosy, posted 12-09-2004 10:43 PM MiguelG has replied

  
MiguelG
Member (Idle past 2006 days)
Posts: 63
From: Australia
Joined: 12-08-2004


Message 227 of 245 (166778)
12-09-2004 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by AdminNosy
12-09-2004 10:43 PM


Ah well - my apologies
...for straying from the topic somewhat.
From what I've seen from my lurker's viewpoint I would tend to agree with your summation.
Cheers

This message is a reply to:
 Message 226 by AdminNosy, posted 12-09-2004 10:43 PM AdminNosy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 228 by AdminNosy, posted 12-09-2004 10:46 PM MiguelG has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024