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Author Topic:   Proof and analysis of Biblical end time accuracey [Synnegi]
umliak
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Message 138 of 155 (172907)
01-02-2005 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by AdminJar
01-01-2005 11:11 PM


Re: If you consider it FACT
No, if challenged you have the requirement to support your assertion. A reference to other folk sharing the same beliefs is not evidence.
It is evidence, actually. And they were more than just sharing the same beliefs. People who begin to utter a foreign language have the right to claim what they spoke was a real language. For all you know they received a vision telling them it is. That is support. You can deny this all you want; if you do, you will be wrong.
Especially when the moon landing is regarded as fact and yet nobody here can provide any proof that it is. So then how can you accept this as fact, and yet regard something else as not? I ask you a question, and I expect you to answer it.
So far you've only backtalked me; you have yet to answer me. AdminAsgara is the only one so far who has.

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umliak
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Message 140 of 155 (172909)
01-02-2005 12:30 AM


Fine. I hope you have seen where you were in error as you seem to have stopped demanding I provide support.

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umliak
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Message 142 of 155 (172913)
01-02-2005 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by mikehager
01-01-2005 11:42 PM


Re: Okay
Forgive me, because I would never wish to offend you, but please do not lie, and stop your deceitful trickery;
I never made a claim. I asked you to support one you made. What you are doing here is called "shifting the burden of proof", a common fallacy. Saying "Prove I'm wrong" is not support of a position.
This is a quote from message 27 of this thread, a post you have made:
Unfortunately, you are wrong and I am not ignorant on this. I've seen people speaking in tongues in person and in various recorded media. No person who has claimed to have done so has ever uttered anything other then gibberish. It could be I am wrong... provide the evidence and documentation you cite. Other, I'm sticking with that it's gibberish. So, while science hasn't done what you ask, it hasn't happened due to religious ecstacy either.
Now, show me proof that it's gibberish. If you want to try to treat me with decency, then I would be most thankful. Otherwise I ask you show proof or withdraw it. I am only doing this for your own good--to show you how unfair and selfish you are acting. And also to show you the error of your ways. I hope you will learn from this.
Because I will not be as hurtful as you, I will insist I don't require you show proof nor withdraw it. You are set free from your debts; however, if someone else should take you up on your own dose of medicine, under the rules of this forum, I am not obligated to get involved.

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umliak
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Message 144 of 155 (172915)
01-02-2005 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by AdminJar
01-02-2005 12:33 AM


If you say tongues are language then you will be expected to provide support.
Taken from dictionary.com
gibberish
n.
1. Unintelligible or nonsensical talk or writing.
2. a.Highly technical or esoteric language.
b.Unnecessarily pretentious or vague language.
Do you need anything more?

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umliak
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Message 146 of 155 (172917)
01-02-2005 12:46 AM


I went down that route and you didn't like my support. So I withdrew the claim on account that I will not get involved in matters that admittedly would not be acknowledged. I was oppressed on account of my religious text, and so I withdrew. At least I was able to preach the Word.

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umliak
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Message 148 of 155 (172920)
01-02-2005 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by mikehager
01-02-2005 12:37 AM


Re: If you consider it FACT
Backtalked you? Backtalked you? I am stunned that you have the nerve to say that.
Do you understand the difference between a personal belief and a fact? That is a rhetorical question, really, because it's clear you don't. That's the problem I think. I suggest you get yourself a little more education and maybe read up on logic and similar matters.
I don't suppose you ignored message 136

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umliak
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Message 149 of 155 (172921)
01-02-2005 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by mikehager
01-02-2005 12:47 AM


Re: Okay
Wow. You stun me again with your ignorance and misunderstanding. I was providing the reason that I don't believe your assertion in the process of challenging it. Note that I said I could be wrong and invited you to provide evidence. Why does this simple point seem to be so far beyond you? You made the claim. You have to support it. You have no reason to expect others to believe something because you do, unless there is evidence.
On a personal note, you would be well served to not start a by calling me decietful and a liar and then ask to be traeted decently. Believe me, this message is far better treatment then you deserve. Also, this is neither unfair or selfish. I am simply holding you to the same standards I hold myself and everyone else. It's not my fault that the standards of reason seem unfair to you.
Unfair... what an amazing claim. How terrible of me to ask someone to give me more reason to think something then their word.
Again, no more ducking, dodging or weaving. Stop whining and do something. Either support your position or admit that what you claimed simply isn't a fact.
You have been warned not to turn this thread into a fight. You are now providing proof that you show no regard for me or anything I have said. I presume you will be repremanded.
And for the record, reason or not, you are required to show support and proof for your claims. Otherwise withdraw it and admit that you were wrong. This is exactly what you did to me. But like I said, for the sake of your own peace, I will not by any means waste an Administrator's time or yours and demand you do so. I believe treatment like this (which you have shown me) is unfair, obscure, and wrong.

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umliak
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Message 152 of 155 (172926)
01-02-2005 1:03 AM


Slinging insults? I have done no such thing.
And I withdrew long ago and even reminded you in about three other posts of the withdrawal. Like I said, I only assume you will be repremanded for displaying your ignorance. You have shown time and time again that you ignore and show no regard for what I say.
You are out to turn this religious discussion into your hateful idea of how people should act. You are a hypocrite; and this is not an insult, I have even shown prior in this thread quotes supporting proof of such. Therefore I am not obligated to repeat myself, as you will only ignore it I presume as you keep doing to anything I say.

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