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jar
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Message 6 of 320 (187488)
02-22-2005 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
02-21-2005 12:10 AM


Assigning yet more homework
Chris.
I would like for you ask yourself very seriously if the issue is really one of religion vs religion or is it one of exclusionary philosophy vs exclusionary philosophy?
Fundamentalism by it's very nature seems to say "We are right and everyone else is wrong". Do all fundamental positions seem alike in that regard? Is there really a difference in that regard between Fundamental Republicans, or Fundamental Democrats, or Fundamental Muslims, of Fundamental Christians, or Fundamental Nationalists, or Fundamental Capitalists or Fundamental Communists, or Fundamental Atheists?
Is the issue that certain groups exist in an environment where they cannot or will not envision the idea that others might be equally right?

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Message 9 of 320 (187509)
02-22-2005 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
02-22-2005 1:21 PM


Faith, Faith, Faith
Faith, not Fact writes:
Islam spread originally by the sword.
Are you really so totally ignorant of Christian History? Do you have any idea who Constantine was and the part he played in the spread of Christianity?

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jar
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Message 11 of 320 (187512)
02-22-2005 2:04 PM
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02-22-2005 1:58 PM


Re: Faith, Faith, Faith
You replying to me?
If so, I totally agree. The emnity between Muslims and Jews or Muslims and Christians has never come up except when European Christians mucked around in the middle east.

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jar
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Message 24 of 320 (187629)
02-22-2005 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
02-22-2005 11:07 PM


Re: Islam is the enemy of all nonMuslims
gain, apples and oranges. The OT massacres were ordered by the true god ...
Allah IS the true GOD of the OT. Same dude.
... Jehovah for the purpose of:
1. Establishing a nation for his chosen people who would eventually establish his kingdom on earth.
2. Destroy the false gods and worshippers of those gods occupying that land, i.e. Caanan.
3. When Israel, God's own people messed up and began worshipping false gods, guess what? God used other pagan nations like Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon to massacre them and take the remnant captive for punishment and eventual world wide dispersement. Why? For the same reason. The land of Israel was to be God's place for his eventual kingdom and not to follow false gods.
And how are any of those different than Islam establishing a nation as directed by the same GOD?

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Message 39 of 320 (187714)
02-23-2005 8:24 AM
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02-23-2005 8:05 AM


George, George, George.
When the Protestants and Catholics of Ireland were at odds, the clergy of other nations did not incite their able-bodied to join the fight and they did not plead for money from their members to finance killing.
Oh come now. Are you saying there were no collection plates passed for "Our Brothers in Ireland" in Catholic Churches in NY? And remember that guy called Pope Urban? LOL
But, that is true with Islam. Its wars and terrorism are very openly supported by Muslim groups everywhere and are encouraged from the Mosques.
Some Mosques.
Why?
Because Fundamentalism is exclusionary in nature. It doesn't matter if it Fundamental Christianity or Islam, Fundamentalism is Exclusionary.
Is Allah the god of Christians?
Yup.
A good source to learn the truth about Allah is the Koran.

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Message 45 of 320 (187741)
02-23-2005 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Faith
02-23-2005 1:07 AM


Re: Islam is the enemy of all nonMuslims
Faith writes:
They believed they worshipped the same God, yes, but that their new revelation cancelled out the Biblical revelation and is intended to conquer the world, and those who stick to the Biblical religions are now infidels for rejecting the new revelation.
Well, let's see what Muhammad ibn Abdullah actually said about that.
This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgment and the end of the world."
Faith writes:
The Crusades were European wars to repel the Muslims who had invaded Europe and the Holy Land.
Utter nonsense. The Crusades were a classic example of turning internal strife (Christian City-State fighting Christian City-State) towards a common external foe. The Muslims were simply an excuse to try to unify the warring European powers.
Afterall, was it the Muslims that sacked Christian Byzantium in 1204?

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Message 88 of 320 (187961)
02-23-2005 11:10 PM
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02-23-2005 10:57 PM


Missionaries
Many Islamic nations do not allow missionaries to proselyte for converts in their nations. I believe Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Andya's Indonesia, would be just a few. Correct me if I'm wrong. In many nations it would be dangerous to do so, regardless.
I have friends who are translators in Indonesia, but my understanding is that they may go only as translators and not as missionaries perse.
Good!

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Message 100 of 320 (187988)
02-24-2005 12:49 AM
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02-24-2005 12:44 AM


Re: ...and the hatred lives on...
1947 is interesting but what would you say about this one?
Foreign Office
November 2, 1917
Dear Lord Rothchild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

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Message 119 of 320 (188122)
02-24-2005 11:20 AM
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02-24-2005 11:03 AM


Re: Islam is the enemy of all nonMuslims
Indeed, and this is a point us Muslims are always proud of. After the end of Muslim rule in Spain, Jews were oppressed. So some of them fled to North Africa--under Ottoman Turk rule at that time.
Actually, it was even more than that. The Muslim caliph actually sent ships and paid to transport the Jews from Spain to his territories. The subsequent brain drain caused by the loss of the Jews in Spain was likely one of the big reasons that the standard of living and culture in Christian Europe fell so far from what it had been under Islamic Spain.

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Message 195 of 320 (188579)
02-25-2005 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Faith
02-25-2005 2:11 PM


Boy was that post full of CRAP!
... in fact there is affinity between Islam and today's Left, at least the Left is very supportive of Islam, a very odd thing but there it is ...
Yes, the Left seems to promote tolerance as opposed to the Right which promotes intolerance and bigotry. A very odd thing but there it is.
though many Muslim leaders also supported Hitler
Which is surprising since Hitler was a Christian with full support from the Christian Churches and even the Pope.
Don't go down this path child.
So far you have been singularly unconvincing and have only shown that you know even less about world history than you do about science or geology.

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Message 201 of 320 (188593)
02-25-2005 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
02-25-2005 7:02 PM


Re: No apocalyptic Christian motives here
Sorry, I'm aware of the whole context and should have been more specific, but I have to say that ANY accommodation to Sharia Law WHATEVER in the West is a very very bad trend,...
Why?

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Message 231 of 320 (188797)
02-26-2005 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
02-26-2005 7:52 PM


Re: Prophets
Faith writes:
{Edit because I always think of stuff after I post -- "Prophet" in the Bible doesn't only refer to prophecy of future events, but to those who hear directly from God, as in "The word of the LORD came to me." There is NOTHING like this in any other religion.
Thank you Faith.
You have just confirmed that Muhammad is a Prophet. LOL

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Message 235 of 320 (188817)
02-26-2005 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Faith
02-26-2005 10:22 PM


Re: Prophets
So prophecy only counts when it comes directly from GOD and not through an intermediary?

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jar
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Message 238 of 320 (188825)
02-26-2005 11:15 PM
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02-26-2005 11:09 PM


Re: Prophets
So the question remains, "must a prophet get his revelation direct from GOD?"

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jar
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Message 247 of 320 (188883)
02-27-2005 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Faith
02-27-2005 12:19 AM


One down
OK, foiled by my imperfect knowledge of the Bible.
So you agree that prophecy can be transmitted through an intermediary such as an angel?
Are we still together?
If so, is the Christian GOD the same person as the Jewish GOD?

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